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soundsys · 2025-04-02T20:36:15+00:00

WTF is happening? It’s like some bizarre performance art piece. He’s holding up signs and shouting and throwing out hats it’s just 🤯

Tomatotater · 10/04/2025 09:18

Yes I read that China own most US bonds. So what happens if they just sell them all? Does the US economy just collapse? If so, Trump is playing an extremely stupid game, and he has surrounded himself with fanboys, yes men and conspiracy theorists from Fox News who have no idea what they are doing. Have we, as other countries, done anything at all to prevent the collapse of the US economy/ US debt causing another global financial crash? I suspect all the banks have talked a good talk but have not done much to change.

TopPocketFind · 10/04/2025 09:19

Who would have guessed

New on @MSNBC: The White House will not release the list of 75 countries that have reached out on trade deals, despite requests from NBC News.

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 09:23

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 09:08

Finally I agree with you on something.

Part of the "logic" behind the tariff policy is that this causes stock market falls which in theory would lead to investors seeking safety in buying US Government bonds pushing up their prices and thereby reducing their interest rate yields.

The US currency has $36 trillion of debt but $6.5 trillion of this debt is up for refinancing in June. Every basis point reduction in bonds equals a $1 billion saving.

Except instead what has happened is that investors have taken fright at the economic instability in the US and sold US bonds rather than buy them. As a side conspiracy theory China (the largest holder of US debt) may have been involved in the sell off as well but there is no easy way of showing this.

As a result bond yields have gone up meaning that refinancing the $6.5 trillion debt has actually become more expensive and not less. They rose 12 bps meaning an additional $12 billion in interest costs.

The twist though is that the sell off was based on economic uncertainty in the US, the reversal of some of the tariffs may have increased stock prices but they have done little to reverse the bond yield increases as the uncertainty remains:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/global-markets-tariffs-bonds-2025-04-09/

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Yet you’re happy to slip in reference to the China sell off conspiracy while caveating that there’s no credible evidence?

Such a champion of Truth Matters!

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 09:37

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 08:55

I am being neither deliberately disingenuous nor am I a supporter of Trump.

What does matter to me is the truth, facts and exposing conspiracy theories. Yes Trump has taken political lies and conspiracy theories to a scale never seen before in politics, but there are already plenty of posters doing an excellent job exposing these (eg EU 39% average tariffs on the US).

Of course there is the counter argument that because Trump lies and promotes conspiracy theories then why shouldn't we? The problem with that approach is that opinions become more important than the truth and facts which leads to further political polarisation and discord.

As often quoted "A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes." And the problem with this is that these lies stick whether that be 9/11, lunar landings or a tanker collision in Humberside.

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I am being neither deliberately disingenuous nor am I a supporter of Trump.

Just a useful idiot then.

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 09:40

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 09:23

Yet you’re happy to slip in reference to the China sell off conspiracy while caveating that there’s no credible evidence?

Such a champion of Truth Matters!

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Sorry to cause some confusion I included the China conspiracy reference as irony which is a bit like sarcasm only more intellectual.

Given my previous comments on conspiracy theories I thought it would be ironic to include one - I tried to make it clear that it was irony by labelling it as a conspiracy theory and stating that there was no evidence to it but clearly it went clean over your head.

And lastly just to avoid any further misunderstanding "irony" is not a type of metal.

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 09:56

medlobath · 10/04/2025 09:14

This is what I never understand . The American people are told they are in debt for billiions of dollars and they just seem to smile and nod. Who do they think they are in debt to? It's China or the ME. The US is such a country cut in half. The educated and the not so educated; the coast and the middle, the right and the left. They are blowing themselves up and leaving a huge gap there for China. Why? I will never know. Arrogance/ stupidity seem the obvious answers. Such a pity, that a country that had it all has ruined itself. Such a pity.

You are absolutely right on the division in the US and this political polarisation just gets worse.
The educated liberal elites dismiss the concerns of blue collar/ mid west as uneducated or racist or whatever.
The blue collar workers/ mid west etc dismiss the views of the of the educated liberals as out of touch with ordinary people.

This time the blue collar/ mid west voters won the election by voting for Trump.

There's a really good and funny video by Jonathan Pie explaining how Trump won the election.

TopPocketFind · 10/04/2025 10:00

As Otto English writes, we can't rule out that Trump is just an incredibly stupid and incompetent individual atop an administration made up of absolute clowns.

(credited the wrong person, oops)

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 10:02

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 09:37

I am being neither deliberately disingenuous nor am I a supporter of Trump.

Just a useful idiot then.

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Perhaps I am.

However I clearly have some way to go to get to a special level of idiocy to believe that the Russian Government organised a deliberate collision between a container ship and a tanker that had sailed in a straight line (autopilot) 350 km from Grangemouth to Humber estuary and managed to collide with a tanker based solely on the fact that the captain of the Solange (container ship) was Russian.

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 10:05

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 09:40

Sorry to cause some confusion I included the China conspiracy reference as irony which is a bit like sarcasm only more intellectual.

Given my previous comments on conspiracy theories I thought it would be ironic to include one - I tried to make it clear that it was irony by labelling it as a conspiracy theory and stating that there was no evidence to it but clearly it went clean over your head.

And lastly just to avoid any further misunderstanding "irony" is not a type of metal.

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Try to cast yourself as an intellectual or rely on irony all you want.

We see what you really are.

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 10:11

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 10:02

Perhaps I am.

However I clearly have some way to go to get to a special level of idiocy to believe that the Russian Government organised a deliberate collision between a container ship and a tanker that had sailed in a straight line (autopilot) 350 km from Grangemouth to Humber estuary and managed to collide with a tanker based solely on the fact that the captain of the Solange (container ship) was Russian.

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Is this the only drum you have to bang?

In case you haven’t realised, there is a lot of Trump inflicted chaos happening at the moment.

If you believe the conspiracy…

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 10:22

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 10:02

Perhaps I am.

However I clearly have some way to go to get to a special level of idiocy to believe that the Russian Government organised a deliberate collision between a container ship and a tanker that had sailed in a straight line (autopilot) 350 km from Grangemouth to Humber estuary and managed to collide with a tanker based solely on the fact that the captain of the Solange (container ship) was Russian.

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Just so I’m clear are you saying that we don’t live in a time when hybrid warfare is prevalent between Russia and the West? When the Russians aren’t setting fire to IKEA stores, running spy rings out of Great Yarmouth or potentially sabotaging the French rail networks? I want to work out quite how far down the pro Kremlin hole you are. Of course if those things did indeed happen (which they have, alongside others) then it’s far less conspiratorial to think that there MIGHT (not saying there was on this instance) have been the chance of Russian state involvement in a tanker collision between a Russian crewed vessel and a ship carrying fuel to support the US in times of conflict.

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 11:16

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 10:22

Just so I’m clear are you saying that we don’t live in a time when hybrid warfare is prevalent between Russia and the West? When the Russians aren’t setting fire to IKEA stores, running spy rings out of Great Yarmouth or potentially sabotaging the French rail networks? I want to work out quite how far down the pro Kremlin hole you are. Of course if those things did indeed happen (which they have, alongside others) then it’s far less conspiratorial to think that there MIGHT (not saying there was on this instance) have been the chance of Russian state involvement in a tanker collision between a Russian crewed vessel and a ship carrying fuel to support the US in times of conflict.

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Just so we are clear the idea that the Captain of the Solang, knew what cargo and the buyer of the cargo was on the Stena Immaculate, exactly where the Immaculate was anchored and after leaving Grangemouth managed to sail 350 km in a straight line to the Humber estuary and hit the Immaculate was a Russian Government plot based solely on the information that the Captain was Russian is a completely ridiculous conspiracy theory. Rather than the reality of a crowded anchorage and no one on watch - as suggested at the time.

It's like someone throwing a dart from a kilometre away, not knowing where you were and hitting you being a deliberate act based solely on the fact that the dart thrower as Russian- it's absolutely ridiculous.

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 11:25

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 10:11

Is this the only drum you have to bang?

In case you haven’t realised, there is a lot of Trump inflicted chaos happening at the moment.

If you believe the conspiracy…

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I'm fully aware that there is a lot of Trump inflicted economic chaos going on at the moment.

Trying to work out the economic rationale and consequences positive and negative is what is important here.

Getting distracted on conspiracy theories that Trump deliberately engineered this chaos in order to benefit from insider trading is not helpful.

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 11:54

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 11:25

I'm fully aware that there is a lot of Trump inflicted economic chaos going on at the moment.

Trying to work out the economic rationale and consequences positive and negative is what is important here.

Getting distracted on conspiracy theories that Trump deliberately engineered this chaos in order to benefit from insider trading is not helpful.

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Of course we’ll allow you to determine which conspiracies to promote!

The only irony in all this is that the Great Defender of Truth is slyly trying to push their own conspiracies under the guise of intellectualism.

TulipTiptoer · 10/04/2025 12:08

Getting distracted on conspiracy theories that Trump deliberately engineered this chaos in order to benefit from insider trading is not helpful.

Trouble is with your statement, it's not a conspiracy theory. You seem obsessed with 'conspiracy theories' which seems to be the only defence of Trump.

Cornettoninja · 10/04/2025 12:10

Sorry to interject but this is a rare thing of beauty with a member of trumps cabinet being held to account. (Credit has to go to James o brien for playing the clip)

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TulipTiptoer · 10/04/2025 12:14

@Cornettoninja

It's such a thing of beauty I watched it twice!

I have never seen a man look more uncomfortable at answering questions.

Cornettoninja · 10/04/2025 12:31

I know this is ‘serious politics’ but the senate is home to a couple of unlikely pin-ups lately. Make intelligence sexy again!

(I will stop bringing down the tone now )

TulipTiptoer · 10/04/2025 12:32

Canadian travel to US is down by 13% for air travel, and a mighty 23% for land travel.
Trump certainly knows how to win! 😂

(p.s. this is not a conspiracy theory, it is fact by Statistics Canada and just for March. It is expected to have dropped even more when they release latest figures)

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 12:34

TulipTiptoer · 10/04/2025 12:08

Getting distracted on conspiracy theories that Trump deliberately engineered this chaos in order to benefit from insider trading is not helpful.

Trouble is with your statement, it's not a conspiracy theory. You seem obsessed with 'conspiracy theories' which seems to be the only defence of Trump.

OK if it's not a conspiracy theory that Trump deliberately created stock market chaos in order to personally gain from insider trading then show me the evidence.

Personally I think he created stock market chaos due to a lack of ability / knowledge/ understanding of the economic consequences of a tariff policy.

TopPocketFind · 10/04/2025 12:41

A theory is not automatically a conspiracy theory

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 12:51

Maggiethecat · 10/04/2025 11:54

Of course we’ll allow you to determine which conspiracies to promote!

The only irony in all this is that the Great Defender of Truth is slyly trying to push their own conspiracies under the guise of intellectualism.

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Firstly congratulations 🏆 and I'm proud of you that you are getting the hang of the concept of "irony".

Secondly as a general rule on conspiracy theories it doesn't work if you actually describe a theory as a conspiracy theory and state that you haven't seen any evidence for it. For example stating you are aware of a conspiracy theory that the lunar landings were faked but you haven't seen any evidence of this doesn't mean that you believe that the lunar landings were faked.

Always happy to help 😀

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 13:06

TopPocketFind · 10/04/2025 12:41

A theory is not automatically a conspiracy theory

True - it all depends on the intent behind the theory and degree of credibility behind the theory (which I concede is subjective).

For example stating that Covid deaths are highly correlated to obesity rates and evidencing say the rate of deaths in Japan compared to the US is a theory rather than a conspiracy theory because there is data to support this and it is not intended to discredit one political view over another.

Whereas stating that say a Captain of a container ship could set a straight line course over 350 km to deliberately collide with a tanker ship that he had no accurate location of and he had no knowledge was carrying jet fuel for the US military is both not credible in terms of reality and secondly is intended to cause a negative opinion of Russia (assuming that an unprovoked invasion and destruction of a neighbouring country is not enough cause for a negative opinion of Russia).

Always happy to clarify 😀

Igotjelly · 10/04/2025 13:13

1dayatatime · 10/04/2025 13:06

True - it all depends on the intent behind the theory and degree of credibility behind the theory (which I concede is subjective).

For example stating that Covid deaths are highly correlated to obesity rates and evidencing say the rate of deaths in Japan compared to the US is a theory rather than a conspiracy theory because there is data to support this and it is not intended to discredit one political view over another.

Whereas stating that say a Captain of a container ship could set a straight line course over 350 km to deliberately collide with a tanker ship that he had no accurate location of and he had no knowledge was carrying jet fuel for the US military is both not credible in terms of reality and secondly is intended to cause a negative opinion of Russia (assuming that an unprovoked invasion and destruction of a neighbouring country is not enough cause for a negative opinion of Russia).

Always happy to clarify 😀

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Anything that causes a negative opinion of Russia is a win in my book 👍 of course the ‘evidence’ backing up the theory (at the time, other evidence has since come to light to disprove) is plentiful in Russia’s previous actions in the maritime space. The fact that the authorities at the time acknowledged that they had to rule out Russian state involvement proves that some experts somewhere had similar suspicions. And having suspicions based on fact is not a conspiracy.

Hope that helps though I’m not sure there’s any helping.

TopPocketFind · 10/04/2025 13:19

Maybe clarify why you keep using the term hard left conspiracy theories without providing evidence

Anyway, enogu derailing, tariffs haven't been paused, 10% has been applied to the majority of countries. Penguins still have to pay. Russia, Belarus and N Korea don't.