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Is America under Trump having its own Cultural Revolution moment?

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logicisall · 07/03/2025 11:46

I found this article very thought provoking. As we try to understand what is happening in the world and the seismic shifts in foreign and economic policy under Trump, is this what is really happening? More importantly, what does it mean for the rest of the world if this is a permanent change?

New York Times

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LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:11

Donald Trump's foreign and economic policies have indeed caused significant shifts, often described as "seismic." His "America First" doctrine has reshaped U.S. relations with allies and adversaries alike, emphasizing unilateralism, economic protectionism, and a transactional approach to diplomacy.

For example, his administration's recent pivot toward Russia, including suspending military aid to Ukraine and engaging in direct negotiations with Moscow, has raised concerns about the future of NATO and U.S. commitments to European security. Similarly, his aggressive tariff policies have sparked fears of a global trade war, with potential long-term consequences for international markets and supply chains.

If these changes were to become permanent, they could signal a shift away from the post-World War II liberal order, where the U.S. played a central role in maintaining global stability.

This could lead to a more fragmented world, with regional powers like China and Russia filling the vacuum left by a less engaged U.S.. At the same time, it might push traditional allies to strengthen their own defense and economic strategies, as seen in Europe’s recent moves to boost military spending.

logicisall · 07/03/2025 19:42

I think the point of the article was the pivot towards the more dictatorial style of government with cronies and yes men in power, under Trump, highlighting a sea change in American politics and culture. Depending on Americans' recognition of what is happening, plus other countries reviewing their assessment of America as an ally, we will see if it is an aberration or a genuine cultural revolution in the making.

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Papyrophile · 08/03/2025 14:43

. Placemarking.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 08/03/2025 14:46

American people should maybe look to Putin and to his people, and see how they live year to year. If Trump admires him, is that the sort of future he desires long term for Americans?

logicisall · 08/03/2025 18:32

I think that one has to wonder if the checks and balances that exist are robust enough to contain Trump's dictatorial tendencies.

The hire/fire scenario playing out regarding air traffic controllers is a case in point. Chaotic about turns. I'm waiting to see how the Supreme Court rules on some of those Executive Orders.

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logicisall · 08/03/2025 18:35

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 08/03/2025 14:46

American people should maybe look to Putin and to his people, and see how they live year to year. If Trump admires him, is that the sort of future he desires long term for Americans?

I don't think that Trump cares about what is good for the people, and if his followers trust him to deliver a better life via MAGA, I hope they don't hold their breath while waiting.

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Papyrophile · 08/03/2025 21:18

The Sec of State for Transport hit back hard on Musk's agenda on Thursday, saying (in effect) I have air traffic control issues and accidents to investigate and you want to fire ATCOs? They take considerable time to recruit and train and you want to dob in a few "chosen" people from MIT who have no idea of how to safely land 0airliners every 30 seconds... Do you really, really want to stop air travel?

Papyrophile · 08/03/2025 21:26

In fact, Musk got hit quite hard at last Thursday's Trump Cabinet meeting, when the outcome was that DOGE did not outweigh secretaries of state. I don't pretend to understand the internecine bits of US governance now, but it sounds like a clusterf*ck.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2025 22:03

I couldn't read the article as it cuts off after the title for me @logicisall.

Watching America is like watching a friend's descent into drug addiction. Some things will change beyond repair but it isn't any sort of revolution. Cultural or otherwise. Just chaos and destruction.Sad

PermanentTemporary · 08/03/2025 22:14

@LovingHare can I ask if AI helped write that? Do you have a personal view?

The article gave a very neutralised picture of Trump's role in this. The 5 people who talked to the NYT clearly want Musk out (don't blame them) or reduced to the role of a big donor/corrupt beneficiary of the regime, rather than having any executive power, but aren't going to say explicitly 'Trump put Musk in and now is just spouting whatever comes into his head and it's chaos' but the remarks ascribed to Trump don't make much sense.

If the Cultural Revolution is seen as a societal disaster caused by a dictator who wanted personal adoration and to revenge himself on potential rivals, then yes, the Trump Leap Forward looks remarkably similar. Soon to be marked by millions of spontaneously cheering MAGA people waving copies of The Art Of The Deal in unison no doubt.

DarlingDay · 08/03/2025 22:22

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:11

Donald Trump's foreign and economic policies have indeed caused significant shifts, often described as "seismic." His "America First" doctrine has reshaped U.S. relations with allies and adversaries alike, emphasizing unilateralism, economic protectionism, and a transactional approach to diplomacy.

For example, his administration's recent pivot toward Russia, including suspending military aid to Ukraine and engaging in direct negotiations with Moscow, has raised concerns about the future of NATO and U.S. commitments to European security. Similarly, his aggressive tariff policies have sparked fears of a global trade war, with potential long-term consequences for international markets and supply chains.

If these changes were to become permanent, they could signal a shift away from the post-World War II liberal order, where the U.S. played a central role in maintaining global stability.

This could lead to a more fragmented world, with regional powers like China and Russia filling the vacuum left by a less engaged U.S.. At the same time, it might push traditional allies to strengthen their own defense and economic strategies, as seen in Europe’s recent moves to boost military spending.

Ha this is so ChatGPT

logicisall · 09/03/2025 01:26

Here's a better link to the article that should work

@TooBigForMyBoots

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ThatDoesntWorkForMe · 09/03/2025 01:32

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:11

Donald Trump's foreign and economic policies have indeed caused significant shifts, often described as "seismic." His "America First" doctrine has reshaped U.S. relations with allies and adversaries alike, emphasizing unilateralism, economic protectionism, and a transactional approach to diplomacy.

For example, his administration's recent pivot toward Russia, including suspending military aid to Ukraine and engaging in direct negotiations with Moscow, has raised concerns about the future of NATO and U.S. commitments to European security. Similarly, his aggressive tariff policies have sparked fears of a global trade war, with potential long-term consequences for international markets and supply chains.

If these changes were to become permanent, they could signal a shift away from the post-World War II liberal order, where the U.S. played a central role in maintaining global stability.

This could lead to a more fragmented world, with regional powers like China and Russia filling the vacuum left by a less engaged U.S.. At the same time, it might push traditional allies to strengthen their own defense and economic strategies, as seen in Europe’s recent moves to boost military spending.

This is AI.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/03/2025 01:33

ThatDoesntWorkForMe · 09/03/2025 01:32

This is AI.

Please report. I have.

ThatDoesntWorkForMe · 09/03/2025 01:34

DarlingDay · 08/03/2025 22:22

Ha this is so ChatGPT

It literally is. I thought the same and….

Is America under Trump having its own Cultural Revolution moment?
logicisall · 09/03/2025 01:38

@LovingHare if you want to comment on this thread, you must start with making the effort to engage your brain. Not just reading AI stuff that's already been collated to echo your opinion, but assessing a diversity information then judging what to discard and what to keep.

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ThatDoesntWorkForMe · 09/03/2025 01:41

logicisall · 09/03/2025 01:38

@LovingHare if you want to comment on this thread, you must start with making the effort to engage your brain. Not just reading AI stuff that's already been collated to echo your opinion, but assessing a diversity information then judging what to discard and what to keep.

Bad hare day!

MuckFusk · 09/03/2025 01:43

logicisall · 09/03/2025 01:38

@LovingHare if you want to comment on this thread, you must start with making the effort to engage your brain. Not just reading AI stuff that's already been collated to echo your opinion, but assessing a diversity information then judging what to discard and what to keep.

Lovinghare claims not to have time to do the research needed to even form an opinion. Yet lovinghare seems to have a enough time to post AI nonsense on multiple threads.

Fluffyowl00 · 09/03/2025 01:44

I really hope it might rouse Europe to work towards economically being more active (rather than militarily). Trying to boycott the US (or China, or Russia) is just impossible. Why is there not a credible European web browser, or payment system (Mastercard,Visa,PayPal, Applepay). Why are we going back to fossil fuels and nuclear when renewable IS the long term solution. what ARE we doing? Why can’t we work together to get these things sorted? Now is the time. Not to bear arms. Every successful change comes from economic change, not war.

Happyinarcon · 09/03/2025 01:47

I think many presidents did a lot of shady stuff that the media chose to ignore. Look at Obamas uranium one scandal involving Putin or operation fast and furious involving the Mexican cartels. The media could have written a million articles about global destabilisation but said nothing. I don’t think we need to start panicking just because mainstream news decides it’s losing subscribers

ThatDoesntWorkForMe · 09/03/2025 01:50

MuckFusk · 09/03/2025 01:43

Lovinghare claims not to have time to do the research needed to even form an opinion. Yet lovinghare seems to have a enough time to post AI nonsense on multiple threads.

‘Indeed’

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/03/2025 02:04

Thanks for the article @logicisall. It's really interesting to read something outside the "western" perspective.

I am not at all surprised Trump is emulating Xi Jinping.😣

logicisall · 09/03/2025 02:16

Watching the Trump and Elon show is like watching a car wreck happen, only you're in it too.
This opinion piece, (writer has a PhD in Law from LSE and lectures in International Law) looks at Trump's tariffs. Treating Vat as a 'tariff' makes no sense.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion/2025/03/807_393407.html

Trump's way poised to backfire

A little more than a month into U.S. President Donald Trump’s second term, the world is reeling from his changes to U.S. policy. On the trade front, his imposition of (or threats to impose) tariffs on multiple trade partners - including U.S. allies - t...

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion/2025/03/807_393407.html

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dubsie · 09/03/2025 09:01

There's a lot going on in the world and Trump seems to be aligning America with countries like Russia.

It's odd because much of what's happening today is the result of American foreign policy. Gaza, Syria, Ukraine, Iran, Israel, and now they are pulling the plug and leaving it to rest of the world to sort out....

Back home he's curbing free speech, attacking his loyal allies and threatening to incorporate Canada and Greenland into the American flag.

He's using Americas tech giants to do things like renaming the Gulf Of Mexico and attacking media outlets that refuse to adopt it.

This is facism plain and simple and you could call it a cultural revolution but that's being too polite.