Elon musk salute

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Has he really done a nazi salute in the trump inauguration celebration? 🤦🏻‍♀️

YES! That is why I keep referring to his SM profile. It really says it all. I have personally and very painfully lost someone to the gamer/chan world and its rabbit holes. It's like a fucking cult and it's poisoning our world and our minds.

This gesture has too much weight, that is the problem

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Scary stuff

Not scare mongering at all. The groups that campaigned for an abortion ban are quite clear that their next goal is to outlaw contraception.

But Hitler didn’t start with that. He didn’t start with talking about or promising the final solution. He manipulated his way into power manipulated the people via propaganda which is why we need to be wise to it happening again. And I think one of the richest men in the world, a man affiliated with the far right, a man who owns one of the largest social media platforms, buying his way into world politics and then shamelessly performing a Nazi salute with the eyes of the world on him is surely a cause for concern.

The amount of users on her defending a Nazi salute is terrifying.

As I said, if you want to try to play down TWO blatant Nazi salutes from a man who is heavily linked financially to fascist parties in Europe then THAT IS ON YOU!

Watch GB News and other alt-right gobshites play it down all you want but know people are watching and judging.

He's now saying he was 'throwing out love' - in an accidentally Nazi way, yeah?

Do me a favour.

He's doing what he said he would do.

Not all of us will make excuses for him.

But having said that, what he is doing IS promoting a very dangerous ideology. Summon up the devil and he will show up...

What tells you definitively that this was a Nazi salute is the way the fingers are held flat on a plane and together. If you were really to make a gesture of throwing out your heart, your hand, palm and fingers would be relaxed. But Musk's palm is flat with his fingers together. Try it. It is a deliberate and undeniable gesture. You cannot do it accidentally; the natural position of the hand and fingers is curled and you must actively use your muscles and tendons to make a flat palm with fingers together. I hope this is informative for those of you who are unsure.

@amoreoamicizia I think so too. Also, his arm is rigid, not relaxed. It really looks intentional to me. Either meant to be controversial/prank or to signal alliances in a way which can't be definitively called out. Has he apologised? If it was accidental one would expect him to be apologetic for causing offence.

Make Nazis Normal Again

Even Hitler didn't start talking about wiping out entire ethnic groups when he first came to power in 1933. It started with dehumanisation and scapegoating of certain groups, predominantly Jews, but also homosexuals, gypsies/Roma, the disabled. They were blamed for the poor economic conditions so when the violent persecution started in earnest, most Germans went along with this.

It won't necessarily start with the same groups, but certain immigrant groups are already being targetted.

The danger which we will keep facing is that they understand that moments like these can become a compelling focal point for all the anger and frustration, and the ambiguity means that people will be drawn in to endless (and ultimately pointless) arguments about what was or wasn’t intended, or what exactly a Nazi salute consists of - it is exhausting, and deliberately so.

If we take the view that he is behaving like the disruptive kid in class - the one who wants to get one over on the adults, the one who’ll stick his middle finger up at the teacher and then pretend it was a hand cramp - then really we should avoid getting sucked in because the ensuing argument is all part of the disruptive performance.

Our energy and focus should be saved for the things they do that are really significant - the legislative changes, the things that will have lasting impact on the country and on the globe.

If the newspapers and social media are full to the brim with arguments about Nazi salutes, (or the Gulf of America, whatever other ridiculous or insulting thing they say or do tomorrow) what else is going to be happening in the background that isn’t getting talked about enough?

Not really. I don't base my opinions on what others are thinking in their heads on your one true definitive 'proof'. I find this view terrifying.

His fan boys say he is a genius. A genius would know the significance of such a salute and a be highly aware of the connotation of his actions. So if you're so insistent he is a genius what does that say?

Using "he's autistic" as an excuse is fucking reprehensible.

Yes. People who seem to not understand everything that's attached to this arm movement. People who argue those who use it, without apology or explanation, whether intentionally or not, are 'against division and hate.'

It's a literal symbol of division and hate.

@amoreoamicizia does smiling, touching his heart first, saying “thank you, thank you” and then “my heart goes out to you” also definitively make it a
Nazi salute or is it just the fingers?

So, your argument is that it's somehow like black people reclaiming the N word?

Wow.

@Nesbi I probably wouldn't agree with you on everything but totally agree with what you are saying here too. It feels more and more impossible to actually discuss important things and have real debates, rather than slinging insults.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, this exactly.

Referring to the gesture made, it is the fingers held rigid on a flat plane with a flat palm which makes it a Nazi salute, yes, because that and the unusual angle of the arm held aloft are the defining and instantly recognisable features of such a salute.

The Natzi Solute.

Melania's military inspired fashion.

YMCA - Young Men's Christian Association. (what about other faiths, and women)?

TRUMP dancing with the sword.

This is ALL choreographed. They are normalising this fascist dictatorship. They are brainwashing their audience.

When an abuser shows you who/what they are, believe them.

Oh, look, one of the Jan 6 rioters just pardoned by Trump. Good thing Elon can keep them onside.

To give the benefit of the doubt, I suppose it's possible some of the Nazi salute apologists on this thread don't fully understand the political landscape in the US.

@CreationNat1on seems odd to use arguably the biggest gay icon musical group in history to usher in a facist dictatorship but hey ho.

Well put. I think so too.

I agree.

I have found here when posters can be very logical and with evidence say hey look at this, I've grown an understanding and have shifted my position. This works much better. Not always easy though. This situation is potentially very scary.

Someone posted a list of factors that we need to consider. One said - he is Autistic. I believe it's relevant. Loads of other factors are relevant. His questionable history, his apparent drug use, more I don't know about yet.

No one is saying 'Autism made him innit. ' No one is saying anything so simplistic. I think it's absolutely ok to highly some uncomfortable things.

The concept that he knowingly did that and meant it is terrifying tbh. That's going to take time for people to grasp if he did. ( Me too).

I remember the book by Naomi Wolf ' The End of America'. The gradual shift that blindly made people go along with Hitler in the end, without realising what they had agreed to until way too late. I feel that's what posters are shouting out here.