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Elon musk salute

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EasterIssland · 20/01/2025 22:20

Has he really done a nazi salute in the trump inauguration celebration? 🤦🏻‍♀️

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2dogsandabudgie · 21/01/2025 13:51

MyNewLife2025 · 21/01/2025 13:44

I’d agree there.
A teenager in the body of an adult.

Yes, my son who is 25 has aspergers, intelligent, works but emotionally acts more like a 14/15 year old.

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 13:51

whereaw · 21/01/2025 13:50

@Nesbi that also makes sense as a plausible theory.
Though I really hope it's not the case and it is quite a reach.

This theory is pretty terrifying itself. He looked on another planet to pull that off but he may have high tolerance if he's as bad as suggested on here 😬

username2373 · 21/01/2025 13:52

He wanted it to be ambiguous

  • not obvious enough so he can deny
  • clear sign to the far right that he's with them

He also probably sees himself as far too original to copy the gesture exactly. I bet he wants his own 'mark', hence the heart element/ the X symbol.
He may not be Nazi as such but he is definitely trying to get those who are, on his side, as it's a shortcut to power.

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/01/2025 13:53

1dayatatime · 21/01/2025 13:43

@MyNewLife2025

"Do you really think that a Nazi salute has to be done in a certain way, with the right words, to a Nazi salute?!?"

Well yes otherwise the following could also be seen as Nazi salutes:

So you see clutching and throwing in Nazi salutes and Nazi salutes in waving? Do you think maybe it's time you went to Spec Savers?🙈

timetodecide2345 · 21/01/2025 13:53

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2025 13:54

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 13:42

I think it's relevant. It is not saying that being Autistic means you are a Nazi or that you're incapable of understanding this is messed up.

It's saying, gaffes, very confusing behaviour at times may be seen in this particularly individual who has a history of odd communications.

Yes I know that's really patronising and offensive but I live it too and see some things a bit ' hmmm' at times.

I am going to learn more about his history, the drug use I'm hearing on here etc. That's all relevant to this and might alter my view entirely.

I'm weighing it all up.

It’s also relevant that he is trying to get a party with neo-Nazi links elected in Germany.

A Hitler salute would be easy to dismiss as ‘awkward arm movement’ from e.g. Keir Starmer. Musk’s problem is that it is not particularly unbelievable in his case. He also has a history of saying/doing outrageous things for publicity (e.g. selling flamethrowers to the public to fund his hyperloop).

He hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt here, which is why he needs to make a clear statement about it, not stupid Twitter posts.

lazlosaisthistimeiknowsoursidewillwin · 21/01/2025 13:54

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 13:40

If you really have Jewish family, you should be ashamed of yourself. Deeply ashamed.

I don't think that was a very joyous comment, joyous. I also have Jewish family and agree with @sparrowse Hitler's ideology involved killing Jews and Slavs and disabled people and millions and millions died. The inhumanity was staggering. There is no comparison between that and Musk. Nor any of the world leaders who are so often tarnished with ignorant false comparisons.

If Musk starts talking about wiping out entire genetic groups, then you might have something to talk about.

JustSawJohnny · 21/01/2025 13:54

He knows full well what he's doing.

We all know full well what he did. Twice.

If anyone is prepared to attempt to defend it, it says EVERYTHING about them.

sleepwouldbenice · 21/01/2025 13:54

Cannot stand the man. Profits off misinformation and other peoples misery. Vile

But they werent nazi salutes. Misjudged yes, but not nazi salutes

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 13:55

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2025 13:54

It’s also relevant that he is trying to get a party with neo-Nazi links elected in Germany.

A Hitler salute would be easy to dismiss as ‘awkward arm movement’ from e.g. Keir Starmer. Musk’s problem is that it is not particularly unbelievable in his case. He also has a history of saying/doing outrageous things for publicity (e.g. selling flamethrowers to the public to fund his hyperloop).

He hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt here, which is why he needs to make a clear statement about it, not stupid Twitter posts.

Yes this I can absolutely agree with if this is all so. I am off to read more an him. I understand knowing about his history would potentially change views considerably here!

I just don't think I could cope with X ( Twitter) so I don't see what he's doing.

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2025 13:56

ChristmasPudd1990 · 21/01/2025 13:48

Honestly. Think about it. Do you HONESTLY think he would do a nazi salute with millions of people watching? Give over.

He changed his Twitter username to Kekius Maximus with millions watching. He named his government department after a stupid meme. He is not a professional or serious person.

So the answer here is really ‘who knows?’

whereaw · 21/01/2025 13:57

@JustSawJohnny what's the point of that comment? Clearly some people don't agree with you, so what's the point of denying that?
You would judge people for looking at someone or something with the benefit of doubt, or trying to see the good in people rather than the bad?

tabulahrasa · 21/01/2025 13:57

JustSawJohnny · 21/01/2025 13:54

He knows full well what he's doing.

We all know full well what he did. Twice.

If anyone is prepared to attempt to defend it, it says EVERYTHING about them.

Exactly

Elon musk salute
Tomatotater · 21/01/2025 13:58

crumblingschools · 21/01/2025 00:02

But wouldn’t you sweep your arm round if you were spreading the love from your heart not stick your arm out at that sort of angle that he has done

Or do a two arm gesture. I think the opposite. He's seeing what he can get away with but doesn't want to go the whole hog, so he's baked an excuse in with the ' my heart goes out to you' business. He knows exactly what he is doing. However, I also believe that there is no room for two massive egos or two people so desperate for attention in the Whitehouse. He and Trump will fall out pretty quickly, I think.

crumblingschools · 21/01/2025 14:00

@Tomatotater I agree with you about falling out, especially when Trump said he was reversing the policies in respect of electric cars and was going to drill, drill, drill!

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 14:00

JustSawJohnny · 21/01/2025 13:54

He knows full well what he's doing.

We all know full well what he did. Twice.

If anyone is prepared to attempt to defend it, it says EVERYTHING about them.

People are really not so simplistic as this. Some may have less knowledge or facts on particular people or subjects and thus are taking the time to sensibly gather info. I want to have a strong position over the next few days and I will. Hopefully more information will come to light.

I'm eager to hear from him directly on this one!

It's frustrating when people say one is a Nazi sympathiser, a racist, thinks Autism is an excuse for poor behaviour and any other accusations.

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 14:01

tabulahrasa · 21/01/2025 13:57

Exactly

That image is good 😆

AzurePanda · 21/01/2025 14:02

@JustSawJohnny really? Someone has a different interpretation of something and that tells you “everything” about them?!

rewilded · 21/01/2025 14:03

fromthevault · 21/01/2025 13:39

Ok...don't all jump on me for suggesting this but what if he is trying to reclaim or be allowed to move his body how he wants?

I just...no. No. I don't think that's what he's doing.

And even if he were (which let's be clear, he ISN'T and it's not his place to 'reclaim' Nazi salutes anyway oh god I can't believe I have to say this) can we please, please try to remember that 'freedom of speech' does not mean 'freedom from the consequences of that speech'.

He may be free to perform Nazi salutes. We are free to utterly condemn his performance and find him repellent and dangerous as a result of them.

Thank you for your reply.

Throughout my youth this gesture was used easily without too much weight, to indicate someone who held irrational, controlling beliefs etc Why are we not able to use this gesture now? Who is offended? Is it the Jewish community or is it the Liberals?

This gesture has too much weight, that is the problem. The meaning of the gesture has changed because of censorship. It was ridiculed before and couldn't scare people, now if we use it we are said to be part of a growing movement - we are about to cause another human catastrophy. This is what 'Woke' culture creates - monsters down the road that need to be dealt with.

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 14:03

People are going to carry on defending the indefensible and calling fake news about the inevitable harms to women and children that are now going to take place.
The US has managed to ban abortion in various states, they will be going after contraception next.

lazlosaisthistimeiknowsoursidewillwin · 21/01/2025 14:04

noblegiraffe · 21/01/2025 13:54

It’s also relevant that he is trying to get a party with neo-Nazi links elected in Germany.

A Hitler salute would be easy to dismiss as ‘awkward arm movement’ from e.g. Keir Starmer. Musk’s problem is that it is not particularly unbelievable in his case. He also has a history of saying/doing outrageous things for publicity (e.g. selling flamethrowers to the public to fund his hyperloop).

He hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt here, which is why he needs to make a clear statement about it, not stupid Twitter posts.

It isn't a question of just getting a right wing party elected for the sake of it at the moment, though.

If Musk starts talking about wiping out entire genetic groups, then you might have something to talk about. Until then it sounds like discrediting for the sake of some agenda. That might not be your intention, but it is how it sounds.

Try to be specific about policies you don't like and why, rather than attack people. You know the phrase - play the ball not the player.

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 14:05

rewilded · 21/01/2025 14:03

Thank you for your reply.

Throughout my youth this gesture was used easily without too much weight, to indicate someone who held irrational, controlling beliefs etc Why are we not able to use this gesture now? Who is offended? Is it the Jewish community or is it the Liberals?

This gesture has too much weight, that is the problem. The meaning of the gesture has changed because of censorship. It was ridiculed before and couldn't scare people, now if we use it we are said to be part of a growing movement - we are about to cause another human catastrophy. This is what 'Woke' culture creates - monsters down the road that need to be dealt with.

You are wrong.
Speak to your Jewish family and see if they have always say a Nazi salute as a gesture to be used without too much weight?
Maybe go into work and throw a few Nazi salutes and say it is about freedom of speech and see what reaction you get?

lazlosaisthistimeiknowsoursidewillwin · 21/01/2025 14:07

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 14:03

People are going to carry on defending the indefensible and calling fake news about the inevitable harms to women and children that are now going to take place.
The US has managed to ban abortion in various states, they will be going after contraception next.

The mess in the US about abortion came under Democrat watch. If you care about abortion, start threads on MN about how you think that the US should follow other western countries and ensure abortions are subject to the same rules in all states, maybe following the same rules as apply in the UK for example. This would be far more effective than making the sort of comments you are making here, which come across as scare mongering.

Tittat50 · 21/01/2025 14:07

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 14:03

People are going to carry on defending the indefensible and calling fake news about the inevitable harms to women and children that are now going to take place.
The US has managed to ban abortion in various states, they will be going after contraception next.

Not true. I don't think people are all stupid. Plenty of us just want to pause and consider. That is ok. I am very much for truth and reality and don't comfortably live head in sand.

The way he behaves generally is a little scary and that's before I've read his history. To me, there's something off about him ( not his social awkwardness but beyond). And I read posts where people say yaay make America great and think you have no clue. Yet I will still question this salute thing at this moment in time.

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/01/2025 14:07

lazlosaisthistimeiknowsoursidewillwin · 21/01/2025 14:04

It isn't a question of just getting a right wing party elected for the sake of it at the moment, though.

If Musk starts talking about wiping out entire genetic groups, then you might have something to talk about. Until then it sounds like discrediting for the sake of some agenda. That might not be your intention, but it is how it sounds.

Try to be specific about policies you don't like and why, rather than attack people. You know the phrase - play the ball not the player.

You do know the Nazis did not wipe out entire genetic groups?
So who are you talking about? Or do you think Jewish people, Roma and disabled are genetic groups?

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