Labour government

[DoNotBlameTheMessenger]

With Starmer now, apparently being the most unpopular PM we've ever had - and all the things he's done since they got into power, are you still pleased you voted for them?

Are you ok with two tier Keir and Cruella?

Up to you but you can’t complain if others use similar

I'm fine with it. Me being a bit rude on Mumsnet is not likely to get anyone killed. The Tories refusing to condemn Musk called Jess Phillips a 'rape genocide apologist' is dangerous and inflammatory.
Have they forgotten Jo Cox already?

“The Tories refusing to condemn Musk called Jess Phillips a 'rape genocide apologist' is dangerous and inflammatory.
Have they forgotten Jo Cox already?”

I agree that what Musk said is completely out of order, but then I do not believe it is wise to go openly against Musk and or Trump. Not in the best interest of the country and probably better for us to notionally make them US believe there are still some here on their side. The Labour activitists should have never interfered in the US elections as Musk simply sees this as “pay back”. Nor should they be selling off the Chagos islands in this climate, good deal long term or no good deal. If the other side has given you a get out by being too greedy, take the get out.
Labour really need to start listening to the industry experts in Economics, Finance, Graduate Recruitment, Property, Military etc. - it seems like they are overwhelmed and underprepared for the complexity of the job.

People can be rude / juvenile but it’ll be for their politicians too so they can’t complain when that happens

As for threats there has been plenty of abuse and similar for politicians I assume you don’t like

So the practical conclusion is to up Jess Phillips’ security, substantially.

@EasternStandard

"@1dayatatime summarises options but also this was predictable pre GE"

I completely agree that this was totally predictable before the election and would equally have applied to the Conservatives, although they did not commit to spending as much as Labour so the impact would have been slightly less.

By contrast (and in order of magnitude) both the Greens, Reform and LibDems promised to spend more so that f they were in Government then the economic situation would be much worse.

I don't actually blame Labour for this - they are only carrying out what they said they would - although I do blame their inability to see the secondary consequences of their actions.

If you want to blame anyone blame the voters that voted for Labour on the basis that they were'nt the Tories and "surely couldn't make things any worse ". The same voters will vote Tory in 2029 with the same logic and find out again the hard way that yes things can get worse.

Campaigning for candidates is not interfering in elections. Not on the scale of potentially bunging Reform $100 million.
And while I don't believe that Labour will do anything to antagonise the incoming Administration, pandering to someone who openly wants to overthrow the UK government is a bad idea.

I do as they have a vast misunderstanding of what causes growth or stalls it

The first half of 2024 was in the up. Their entirely predictable effect is down to them

“Not on the scale of potentially bunging Reform $100 million.”

That amount of money is peanuts to Elon Musk. It is like me giving up a few days of work to travel to the US to campaign for some Democrats candidates.

There are always two sides to every argument. He will argue the same with his statements online. Yes, he has millions of followers and is a trillionaire, but when he is making statements in his capacity as any odd human, they are just that. So better get used to it, legally speaking.

The irony in all of this is that as soon as Sir Keir Starmer realises he has essentially already lost the next election and gets down to damage control and acting in the best interest of the country for the next 4 years (which I have every faith the man could do, if he wants to perhaps by careful steering of some of the other ministers) - then we will all be vastly better off than with the current shenanigans going on. Head down, crack on, damage control.

What was said about JP is disgusting, untrue, and should be condemned. I don't always agree with her, but she has done more than most politicians to help victims of VAWG. No politician should face that kind of abuse or name calling. I hope your condemnation applies to all politicians, even the ones you don't agree with or support?
Kemi Badenoch was accused of being a white supremacist in blackface, this was retweeted by a labour mp. I don't remember much condemnation, even from Keir Starmer.

This. But I must say the Tory Party and Elon Musk spin machine are doing a tremendous job at trying to discredit them. I have never seen so many political threads even at the point where the Tories were totally dismissing totally crumbling public services.

No. He seems determined to damage everything he touches. His choice of Reeves as a chancellor is a disaster. She simply isn't up to it.

As has been pointed out, the private sector creates growth. Always has. You need the private sector to develop, to employ, to invest. This gives the growth.

Her budget was the opposite of creating growth. She has made it more difficult and more expensive for the private sector and it will all come home to roost.

Labour backed themselves needlessly in a corner pre election by stating they would not raise taxes for working people. Utter nonsense. They then raised NI for employers and argued themselves in knots that the employers are not working people. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. There are more SMEs in the country employing people than there are PLCs. Jobs will be cut, wages will stagnate, investment will be put on hold. All = no growth/low growth.

If they had slapped a small amount of additional income tax across the board it would have delivered a different result.

They are now servicing debt at a high rate and will have limited choices as to what to do. But basically spend less and increase taxes.

Essentially this in a nutshell.

And you don't even need to be a top flight economist to work this out.

Yep. Who claims he's the worst PM we've ever had? Do they remember Liz Truss? Or David Cameron who helped in making the country poorer for decades yet to come?

The press attack the Labour government more than they ever did the Tories. And Labour have been in power for 6/7 months. People are high if they think they can undo 14 years of damage in that space of time.

Next issue has cropped up - gas shortages, given the cold weather and lack of gas storage.
Guess who has tons of cheap gas? The US…

I am sure some will say it is all a Tory conspiracy made up by Elon Musk and the press.

No they don’t. The press was full on covid onwards. Partygate ran for months

Labour aren’t used to the combination of media and SM at this level. They can’t keep using the media as an excuse

@EasternStandard nonsense. The press didn't turn on Boris Johnson for a long time and even some still minimise what he did. The tabloids are predominately right wing as are the times and telegraph.

Interesting. They're doing better than I thought.

I also like that rail renationalisation is going ahead- I think taking Southern Rail back into public ownership is imminent. And I think I heard that legislation is in train to allow councils to take back control of buses? That's good.

I don't like the massive sum of money being ploughed into carbon capture and storage, at the seeming expense of easier and cheaper ways to cut carbon emissions. And the messaging around new housing is still unclear- it's social housing we really need.

I think Labour are doing a good job with the shitty situation and resources they've inherited as a result of tory mismanagement for over a decade, brexit and covid. Not perfect but moving in the right direction at least. I really don't see any responsible alternatives open to them.

Nonsense. Partygate was good clickbait and the DM are profit driven as any media outlet.

Labour will have to look at their own policies not rely on the media excuse.

moving in the right direction at least

How is contracting the private sector, highest borrowing costs in decades and devaluing pound moving in the right direction?

Sure.

I voted Labour and will vote for them in the next election.