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DoNotBlameTheMessenger · 07/01/2025 22:01

With Starmer now, apparently being the most unpopular PM we've ever had - and all the things he's done since they got into power, are you still pleased you voted for them?

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Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:00

username299 · 08/01/2025 12:12

The clown car has left Downing Street.

So no real answer then.
It's a straight question but one that no one has answered yet

Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:03

PickAChew · 08/01/2025 12:41

We've had 14 years of a party in power that has been in an ever increasing state of disarray with endless squabbles. They threw ridiculous sums of money at impressive sounding schemes (eg Rwanda, PPE) with nothing to show for it except, in many cases, that they've made their wealthy mates a little bit richer. Far too many grandiose promises with no substance to them (40 new hospitals, for example)

So yes, grown ups. Labour might not get everything right but at least they're getting on with it without endless bluster and bickering.

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But they are not getting on with it are they?
Apart from a disastrous Budget, giving in to ridiculous pay demands without any negotiation (adding to the 'black hole') and going back on election promises, the only thing they have done is talked a lot about how awful it is and commissioned many reports.

username299 · 08/01/2025 13:25

Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:00

So no real answer then.
It's a straight question but one that no one has answered yet

I did answer your question. We had 14 years of the Tory circus.

Ideological austerity, record levels of poverty, Brexit, bumbling Johnson and his constant stream of lies, Windrush scandal, the Maybot and her Brexit 'negotiations', Trussenomics, Rwanda scheme - all the while wealth disparity grew and public services crumbled.

Honk, honk.

Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:43

username299 · 08/01/2025 13:25

I did answer your question. We had 14 years of the Tory circus.

Ideological austerity, record levels of poverty, Brexit, bumbling Johnson and his constant stream of lies, Windrush scandal, the Maybot and her Brexit 'negotiations', Trussenomics, Rwanda scheme - all the while wealth disparity grew and public services crumbled.

Honk, honk.

Oh I see.
You're trying to be humorous.

username299 · 08/01/2025 13:48

Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:43

Oh I see.
You're trying to be humorous.

I didn't find the Tories funny; we obviously have very different senses of humour. Millions are using foodbanks and a third of children are living in poverty - oh my splitting sides.

Katypp · 08/01/2025 13:55

Eh? You were the one making jokes about clown cars! Clearly you are more righteous than I am - well done

LastTrainsEast · 08/01/2025 15:00

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 22:14

Yes. I’m very pleased. He’s doing a good job looking out for the less fortunate. He’s starting to sort out the terrible mess the Tories left the public services and economy/public debt in.

You mean as in ending the Winter Fuel Payment for millions of pensioners?

lljkk · 08/01/2025 15:06

I voted LibDem actually but am very pleased with Labour Govt so far.
I am not a whinger & I was not completely dissatisfied with Tories... well, not unless you count piroguing Parliament, unfunded tax cuts, Brexit cake & missing £350mln or NH|S & them sick of experts & ignoring Northern Ireland border problems, lies to pro-Brexit fishing communities, slashing public services, not dealing with social care crisis, blaming Labour who are almost never in power for every economic problem ever, PartyGate, birthday parties, Liz Truss insanity, Dominic Cummings eye tests... put all that aside & Tories were maybe sort of ok.

I deeply love Labour in power now compared to all that crap.

EasternStandard · 08/01/2025 15:07

lljkk · 08/01/2025 15:06

I voted LibDem actually but am very pleased with Labour Govt so far.
I am not a whinger & I was not completely dissatisfied with Tories... well, not unless you count piroguing Parliament, unfunded tax cuts, Brexit cake & missing £350mln or NH|S & them sick of experts & ignoring Northern Ireland border problems, lies to pro-Brexit fishing communities, slashing public services, not dealing with social care crisis, blaming Labour who are almost never in power for every economic problem ever, PartyGate, birthday parties, Liz Truss insanity, Dominic Cummings eye tests... put all that aside & Tories were maybe sort of ok.

I deeply love Labour in power now compared to all that crap.

How do you feel about highest of borrowing in 27 years impacting public spending and increased likelihood of stagflation?

LastTrainsEast · 08/01/2025 15:13

username299 · 08/01/2025 13:25

I did answer your question. We had 14 years of the Tory circus.

Ideological austerity, record levels of poverty, Brexit, bumbling Johnson and his constant stream of lies, Windrush scandal, the Maybot and her Brexit 'negotiations', Trussenomics, Rwanda scheme - all the while wealth disparity grew and public services crumbled.

Honk, honk.

Brexit was decided by the British people (google Brexit referendum) and Rwanda was prevented from working by the same Labour people you're praising.

In any case I'm not a fan of the last Tory government. Saying "they did it too" is hardly a defence . Certainly not a good defence for denying an enquiry into child rape.

username299 · 08/01/2025 15:44

LastTrainsEast · 08/01/2025 15:13

Brexit was decided by the British people (google Brexit referendum) and Rwanda was prevented from working by the same Labour people you're praising.

In any case I'm not a fan of the last Tory government. Saying "they did it too" is hardly a defence . Certainly not a good defence for denying an enquiry into child rape.

As you're perfectly aware, the Brexit referendum was introduced and implemented by the Tories. Google Brexit referendum.

Google Rwanda scheme and why it failed. It was a pie in the sky waste of tax payers money that was illegal. Google the law.

There have been inquiries into the child grooming cases. Google child grooming inquiry.

FoxFaceRabbitFish · 08/01/2025 15:48

Yes I’m glad I voted Labour and would vote for them again.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/01/2025 16:23

I didn't vote for him. I'm OK with what they're doing. The UK was left in a right fucking state by the last lot. It's going to take time to stabilise and then fix the damage done.

Before the election anti-Labour posters often said that KS had no magic wand. Now anti-Labour posters are moaning that the country isn't fixed yet. Did they expect him to have a magic wand after all?Confused

upinaballoon · 08/01/2025 19:49

Katypp · 08/01/2025 10:51

Another soundbite trotted out endlessly is 'the grown-ups are in charge'.
What does that mean exactly?

It's a boring cliche. It means the poster is having a generalised sweep at every PM during the 14 years of Tory government. It was used as a vote-catcher by Labour during the election. Of course it will appeal to people who are incapable of making fair judgements or remembering accurately.

Teresa May was a Tory PM. Do you think that she was not a grown-up? I am not saying I think she did brilliantly well but I cannot imagine that she approached her job without absolute seriousness and sincerity, and now and again on the programmes that really analyse politics you will hear her mentioned with a fair word.

Iirc she called an election in 2017 and I believe she had the guts to put something about care for the elderly in the manifesto. It was rubbished and piled on and the words 'granny tax' were thrown around and correct me if I have it wrong, but didn't the Tories take it out of the manifesto? Now, if Wes Streeting can come up with a great scheme that will be good, but do not forget that she was willing to dare to think about it seriously. She wasn't playing games.

If Boris Johnson and Liz Truss had been PMs early in the 14 years of the Tory time, they wouldn't have carried such weight in the short memories of voters.

Was David Cameron just buggering about not taking it seriously or was he reasonably grown-up about the PM job? I'm not asking whether anyone thinks austerity was a good policy. I'm thinking about his demeanour as PM.

Keir Starmer? I hope he does not take too much notice of twaddle about popularity. He seems to plod on steadily. It remains to be seen what will happen in the country in the way of 'growth', 'money' and 'employment/unemployed people'. If I knew how to get those right I'd be governor of the Bank of England. I think being the Chancellor is a hard job, always, not just since last summer.

dubsie · 08/01/2025 20:16

Paul2023 · 07/01/2025 22:04

I never voted him in and never would have.

But Trump is on a mission to make America powerful and won’t care about anyone’s else’s interests. He’s going after Greenland now.

Trump is going to walk all over Starmer and there’s nothing Labour can do about it.

I think Labour are headed for trouble , not least with Musk against them.

Why are you revelling on Trump making life hard for Britain. What kind of patriot would gloat over such a thing.

Starmer is trying to deal with the mess the last Tory government left....the NHS will need to be rebuilt because the last lot were dismantling it brick by brick.

You think Trump threatening Denmark about taking Greenland will be good for you....you really think that behaviour is acceptable in our modern world. If Trump takes Greenland by force Trump will find that having air bases across Europe might be confined to the history books. America might well be capable of projecting it's military might but here is the thing about invading allies territory....they become non allies and such countries might turn to China for partisan support.

I've got no problem of the idea of a resurrection of Americas golden age...but the golden age was done not by invading an allies territory.

I think America has just elected yet another geriatric man who should be kicking windows in a home and not in charge of the worlds most powerful military.

twistyizzy · 08/01/2025 20:24

username299 · 07/01/2025 22:22

Is he more unpopular than Truss? I'd imagine if he was, he would have had a vote of no confidence.

We have Labour in power and a rabid right wing press. Wonder why they're full of negative stories about a left wing party 🤔

Well by the measures that they held Truss to ie the gilts, Labour have already crashed the economy. Highest level of borrowing since 2008! Labour were baying for Truss's blood and they have created a worse situation than Truss

Paul2023 · 08/01/2025 21:14

dubsie · 08/01/2025 20:16

Why are you revelling on Trump making life hard for Britain. What kind of patriot would gloat over such a thing.

Starmer is trying to deal with the mess the last Tory government left....the NHS will need to be rebuilt because the last lot were dismantling it brick by brick.

You think Trump threatening Denmark about taking Greenland will be good for you....you really think that behaviour is acceptable in our modern world. If Trump takes Greenland by force Trump will find that having air bases across Europe might be confined to the history books. America might well be capable of projecting it's military might but here is the thing about invading allies territory....they become non allies and such countries might turn to China for partisan support.

I've got no problem of the idea of a resurrection of Americas golden age...but the golden age was done not by invading an allies territory.

I think America has just elected yet another geriatric man who should be kicking windows in a home and not in charge of the worlds most powerful military.

I didn’t say it would be good or not. I said Trump will walk all over the Labour government. What can Starmer do to Trump? Nothing is the answer.

We need the USA more than they need us. Fact. Trump or not we need them on our side just like we did when we were losing the war 80 years ago.

Paul2023 · 08/01/2025 21:17

SnapdragonToadflax · 08/01/2025 13:00

I'm quite happy with how he's doing and am very glad we have a sensible Labour government rather than the utter shitshow that is the Tories. I don't necessarily agree with everything he's done, but overall the direction of travel is good.

I am deeply concerned about the right-wing media controlling public opinion, and find it bizarre people can't see it. The billionaires want the Tories in charge because they can make more money, that's all. Fools.

The Tories have a long way to go before they get into government again.

Weirdly, if there was to be another election we could find Labour don’t have enough for a majority, and Reform could have more MPs than the Lib Dem’s.

Imagine Labour and Reform in some sort of coalition..

dubsie · 08/01/2025 21:28

Paul2023 · 08/01/2025 21:14

I didn’t say it would be good or not. I said Trump will walk all over the Labour government. What can Starmer do to Trump? Nothing is the answer.

We need the USA more than they need us. Fact. Trump or not we need them on our side just like we did when we were losing the war 80 years ago.

We certainly don't need an America that is willing invade Greenland. Starmer doesn't want to do anything to America regardless of it's politics. What we all want is for our allies to respect our differences are have mutual respect and trade

If Trump wants to tear up climate and global agreements well that's fine but respect our decision to keep them.

Labour won an election with a big majority and a mandate to create a fairer and greener Britain with a key manifesto pledge to rebuild our welfare system and NHS. Trump and Musk should respect our democracy and should not seek to undermine an elected government.

If Trump decides to destroy a alliances then what will follow will put an end to American ambitions and see the rise of China and India as new global stake holders while the sun sets on a declining broken nation of states. Because going to war against beliefs and differences will sow across the world and more importantly back home in the United states

beguilingeyes · 08/01/2025 21:38

It's been less than six months. It's going to take a long time to turn the ship around. Especially with the hostility from all sides and the Tories aping Musk.
I think they're doing ok so far.
I didn't vote for him either, I voted for my MP. That's how it works.

dubsie · 08/01/2025 21:59

beguilingeyes · 08/01/2025 21:38

It's been less than six months. It's going to take a long time to turn the ship around. Especially with the hostility from all sides and the Tories aping Musk.
I think they're doing ok so far.
I didn't vote for him either, I voted for my MP. That's how it works.

Absolutely agree 👍 💯

Nicecuppatea2025 · 08/01/2025 22:08

Paul2023 · 08/01/2025 21:14

I didn’t say it would be good or not. I said Trump will walk all over the Labour government. What can Starmer do to Trump? Nothing is the answer.

We need the USA more than they need us. Fact. Trump or not we need them on our side just like we did when we were losing the war 80 years ago.

Marvellous, let’s drag WW2 into this 🙄

Sunshineandoranges · 08/01/2025 22:10

I feel very disappointed. They seem to make every wrong decision. I was really pleased when they got in. So they say they are for growth then make decisions which affect businesses negatively. They cancel winter heating allowance for pensioners then say loads of those affected will claim extra benefits so little money for govt. change inheritance tax for farmers..then say hardly any affected so again little revenue for government ( and the big farmers like Dyson will dodge it somehow anyway. And the most depressing thing is that if that continue like this Reform will get loads of supporters. I love Jess Phillips and was a great fan of Wes Streeting. I just hope the Labour Party can turn things around.

LizzieSiddal · 08/01/2025 22:14

I would vote Labour again. The Country is an absolute shit show after 14 years of Tory mismanagement, it’s going to take a long time to make things even a tiny bit better. They have made some mistakes, but no one is perfect and I think they’re a thousand times better than the Tories.

Adamante · 08/01/2025 22:20

sunflowersngunpowdr · 08/01/2025 11:03

There is absolutely no difference between the labour and conservative governments and hasn't been since Blair left office. The same globalist policies being pushed by them all. Net zero. Open boarders. Bigger and more interfering state. Higher taxes. DEI policies. Push for the normalisation of trangenderism in to children. Outsourcing power of parliament to quangos which effectively renders voting pointless. Pursuing non crime hate crime over actual crime. Covering up for and protecting gang rape peadophiles. That's before I even get to how they locked people in their own homes during covid. The way old people became prisoners in their nursing homes. Terminally ill children being kept from their families. Etc. And labour supported it all and called for tougher measures at the time. How or why anyone could vote for either of these parties knowing what we know is far beyond me.

This!