How can any Donald Trump fans think that he is intelligent?

[Workingclasslass]

Donald Trump has just done a big speech to Am fest turning point. He literally said that drugs are bad like fentanyl they ruin your face. They ruin your looks. They ruin your teeth and nobody has said that before and we are going to tell people that drugs are bad.
So basically, just like the just say no campaign that was there back in the day and of course people have as there’s literally pictures of people all over the Internet and every government has said this. This is what I mean. I want to know how people can think he’s so bloody original and intelligent saying stuff which is stupid because it’s already been said before.
The next thing he said at that speech how vaccines were linked to autism which we know full well that’s debunked then how he says how now it was like one in so many thousand people that had autism now it’s one in 36 but causation and correlation doesn’t mean to say that that’s to do with a bloody vaccines .
so yes I want to know how any Donald Trump fans can listen to any of this and think wow he’s so intelligent when he really isn’t?

I have no idea. It seems that many people have completely lost their critical thinking skills. I'm in the US and do not looking forward to the next four years

Quite simply because he is not. What he is a marketing figure that gives out simple messages to ordinary voters such as "Make America Great Again" (what does that even mean!).

He comes out with radical sounding stuff because voters are desperate for real change to the managed slow decline that they see across all western democracies.

He also represents a counter reaction to the perceived shift to the left / woke / trans etc etc that many ordinary people think has gone too far.

If you really want to know how he won the election the following video gives a really good summary of why:

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hes saying what his supporters want to hear, in plain terms which appeal to people more than how a normal politiican would speak

Their bar is somewhere around the earth's crust...

But he’s not saying anything, New he literally just said drugs are bad which has been said for the past God knows how many years he’s making it out like it’s a new bloody thing so even if you’re stupid you must’ve heard that message before

Have a listen to the Joe Rogan podcast, he comes across quite well in long format.

> He comes out with radical sounding stuff because voters are desperate for real change to the managed slow decline that they see across all western democracies.

This.

Trump fans don't love him because they think his brain is the biggest brain, the best brain, we got the best brains here folks. They don't necessarily think he's as dumb as he's portrayed but "deep intellectual thinker" isn't his USP. Someone who will openly say "hang on, we don't have to live like this" and has the resources to make change happen is the appeal.

I have heard it before but what you think comes across quite well I disagree. He was in the long format with this am fest turning point the point is he saying stuff that isn’t quite true for instance saying we are now going to tell people that drugs are bad as if that hasn’t been done before.
When you start to break down, actually what he’s saying it’s not correct the whole autism and vaccine thing he has just said yeah sure that sounds like somebody having a normal conversation when you look into it there is no link that’s what I’m talking about

But it’s not radical it’s dumb as fucking rocks saying oh we’re gonna tell people that drugs are bad. Do you not think that’s happened before?
The whole autism debate with vaccines. It just goes to show that his type of voters are thick as fuck. Let’s not even be debating this because there is no autism link to vaccines. It’s all been debunked.

I’ll tell you what though if you watch the video he’s very very obsessed with the fact that people think Elon Musk is controlling him. He looks a bit paranoid and a bit realisation that he can’t get rid of this Elon Musk. I think that’s gonna blow up soon.

No politician is saying things we haven't heard before. We know drugs bad, terrorism bad, healthcare good etc.

Many politicians treat politics like theatre, which it is in some respects but Trump treats it as a panto. He speaks in layman's terms. Whether he's rehearsed or not, every time he talks it sounds like it's just flown out of his mouth with no prior notice to his brain.

This makes him relatable to people on a level most politicians just can't be. He's the other side of the coin to Boris Johnson whose buffoon image was all rehearsed to hide a cunning politician with an excellent education. Trump could quite simply be your uncle or your grandad (if you ignore his vast amounts of wealth).

And really, he's not making the big decisions. Not alone, anyway. He's enacting those decisions. Is he my choice? Not at all but I see how we've got here. His VP is much more well spoken and considered and will take the next presidency if the democrats can't get their shit together and change course.

I detest the man, but it's so naive to dismiss him as stupid. He doesn't have the cognitive or linguistic skills of even your average person, but he's shrewd, conniving and when you look what he's done, especially this time round, he's an incredibly sharp political operator.

And I think precisely what you’re saying is exactly why we’re doomed if you think he’s relatable with what he has to say when he’s talking like an idiot

I don't think anyone believes he is intelligent. He is just wealthy, powerful, and he validates all their worst impulses.

No, I’ve heard so many things about him people close to him to say that he doesn’t even have the attention span of a gnat. I think the people around him are but not him. I think the people around him are quite dangerous.

Plus the new figures have come that I’ve shown it was very very close to what the Democrats got he didn’t win by that much. It was a very slim margin not as much as what they are trying to tell you which shows that America is divided by I think stupid people and people that are educated.

People don't want intelligence, they want soundbites. They want 30 second messages on TikTok and for people to say what they want to hear.

Trump has said "Drugs are bad". Who could disagree with that? He hasn't got a plan for how he'll deal with America's catastrophic drug problem or national health care but people can nod along to "Drugs are bad." It evidently works.

But the biggest thing for me is how the right including himself have convinced poor working class people in America and in Britain that they don’t like the elites yet they hang around with people like Elon Musk who is a fucking billionaire so people are so stupid if they can’t see that that they are being played.

Exactly you have just said it in so many things that I wanted to say precisely people are stupid and don’t want to look at things that really need looking at like details.

@Workingclasslass any electorate who voted for person A who has been convicted of sexual offences vs person B who hasn't, is already on thin ice in the thinking department.

Couple that with the self interest of many Americans who believe (incorrectly) that Trump will facilitate more dollars in their pocket.

Lastly, and as others have said above, he taps into the populist view. Farage does that over here. There is no credible substance or plan to either of them, but because they spout rubbish in a manner that sounds credible (I concede that this is a skill, even though I can't believe how stupid people are to fall for it), people vote for them.

If you look at the state of America you'll see that people don't want politicians because they all deliver a variation of the same thing. They want a rabble rouser, someone to shake things up a bit which Trump will most certainly do.

He's a figurehead for grass roots, ordinary, God fearing folks. People who, if told they are making a daft or wrong choice, will double down and say "don't tell ME who I should vote for..." very clever campaigning technique, gets around educational differences between "the people" and the people who want to run things.

We in the UK voted Boris Johnson in, we voted Brexit. Both were "oh don't be daft" choices as touted by the media. People push back with "Don't tell me how to vote!"

This is such a ridiculous statement to make. The idea that only educated people would ever vote blue is nonsensical.

I didn't say I find Trump relatable. I even said he wouldn't be my choice. I'm masters level educated in a professional role and I think he's ridiculous but I thought the Democratic campaign was an absolute nightmare based on little more than keeping the status quo and amping up identity politics.

That's what's unrelatable to the general population. People are worried how they'll continue to put food on the table and keep their jobs. They're worried about gas prices and 'woke nonsense' in the education system. They're worried about high levels of immigration and crime. Trump promised them a solution to that in layman's terms they could understand and the Democrats simply didn't.

Add in that many of the vocal Democratic supporters were very publicly linked to scandals like P Diddy or very famous wealthy millionaires and billionaires and you've got yourself a powder keg of 'they're not like us'. They didn't prioritise the giant swathes of the general public and ran on a campaign of keeping things as they are (which many Americans don't like).

I think you're running with an idea that isn't true. If you profile Republican voters, you won't hear them saying Donald Trump is intelligent or more intelligent than others. He's not even as intelligent as his VP. But Presidents are showmen - they're there to make speeches and rouse the masses and to be a figurehead.

I don't think of him as intelligent per se, but I do think he has a certain animal cunning and charisma which unfortunately gets him far.

Wait until you hear the sort of rubbish regularly spouted by Joe Biden and for that matter, Kamala Harris.