Steamers and the superinjunction

[hamstersarse]

Starmer surely can’t survive this one?

Guido Fox guy says it’s about the ‘shape of his family’ and reveals: “We have a name. As do the Mail and the Telegraph. We have a birth certificate."

Seems the allegations are something to do with an extra marital lady plus baby.

My opinion on this is that anyone who is such a control freak as to jail people for what they say is clearly a very dark person. And the hypocrisy he’s shown about almost everything he’s ever said, also shows a very dark underbelly,

I'm not 'recollecting'. I'm saying what happened.

And that is fine for you to give your version of events, but no one on this thread has accused you of anything "disgusting'.

Anyway, this is a derail!

I think it's disgusting. And again, it isn't my 'version' - it's what actually happened.

What is disgusting?

Paul De Laire Staines is getting desperate for anything that might drive traffic to the Guido site. It's dawning on him that his most influential moments are all in the past and now that Boris has gone he's now become an irrelevance. Let's not forget the man has a wife, kids and a prodigious thirst to support.

The timing has probably more to do with distracting attention away from the miserable headlines coming out of Tory party conference and leadership election.

I am not reading about the SI as not on X and I assume that’s where the rumours are but I do think public opinion and these mn threads are misaligned

there is one rumour I’ve heard and it’s abhorrent for the press to chase this one if it’s true. Children are off limits

Plus he jailed people for riling up riots based on incorrect information and racism .

Starmer didn't jail anyone. He's not a judge, a police officer or a prosecutor.

It’s not the press, as @HowardTJMoon points out it’s a political blogger, whose relevance has disappeared with a change of government. He’ll have to get a proper job now - if anyone will give him one.

He didn't deceive anyone. He declared every single gift he received over the five year period in question. Unlike Johnson and his allies.

Incredulous behaviour? Who has he not been believing, apart of course from the obvious liars?

Were they all known about? I don't think we knew about Charlotte, did we?

In fact two out of the last five Tory PMs have cheated on their spouses.

Three, isn't? Johnson, Truss and Major?

Wow. So for somewhere around £80K we've had the benefit of three speeches and a few random words here and there. What good value.

He declared his gifts late, and under pressure

But wasn’t upfront about the use of the Penthouse. He literally filmed a piece saying “you must stay at home” while not being at home and pretending he was at home with pictures of his children in the background, The ones he wants to keep out of the public eye.

I don’t think you’ll find many people defending the Tories in their demise so I’m not sure why you use them as a yardstick? Starmer told us he was different, explicitly, about the exact things he’s been doing such as accepting gifts from rich buddies. How is that not obvious?

Oh, you also failed to answer without mentioning Boris 🤣

Don't know anything about this story, but did someone say Isabel Oakeshott is involved?

The woman who published the claim that David Cameron fucked a pig's head? And then said:
"We couldn't get to the bottom of that source's allegations ... So we merely reported the account that the source gave us ... We don't say whether we believe it to be true".

Mm-hm. As someone pointed out at the time, Piggate was straight out of the playbook of "The story isn't true, 'But let's make the sonofabitch deny it.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate

"Furthermore, Oakeshott admitted it is far easier to slip questionable anecdotes into books than it is into newspapers – before insisting her exposé should still be regarded as a “seriously well-researched book”.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2015/oct/09/isabel-oakeshott-david-cameron-piggatecall-me-dave

That Isabel Oakeshott?

https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/sunday-times-journalist-tim-shipman-pays-substantial-damages-to-shadow-minister-over-tweet/

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I feel very sorry for Victoria Starmer and their children. Imagine having to read/listen to this rubbish day in day out. Must be very hard to be a politician when people just make things up.

OK so the source appears to be Dan Wootton talking to Guido Fawkes. The one who got sacked from GB news for being a sexist twat and is now trying to scratch a living out of his own "independent media".

I think Steamer in the title was accurate. This is at least the third wildly different "about to break bombshell" I've read about Starmer on Twitter this week!

Ooh.. I know! Maybe Charlotte Owen is actually Starmer's lovechild and Boris was doing Keir a solid, but then the double crossing weaselly Starmer sold him out by leaking the superinjunction pretending it was Boris that had one. And only Dan Wootton is tenacious enough for the truth

Heavy sarcasm MNHQ in case someone reports this....

The guy is a slimy truth twisting toad. He’s perfectly capable of all of these things. As have other prime minsters, the issue is that everyone thought they were voting for change not a fucking rerun of the same show. Sadly British politics is in the toilet and has been for the last 20 years. Hopefully Starmer will at least offer to pay the VAT on his freebies, it’s his moral obligation.

There is also a Reform guy who previously was Oakeshotte's researcher claiming similar, he has been busy tweeting, deleting, editing, retweeting.

But I am sure @hamstersarse will be able to back up these rumours with some facts?

Yes, and this is what concerns me about the Two Minutes Hate.*

One day there will be something real and important to report on about this government. But it will be lost in the welter of Daily Dissing Drivel, which most people will have tuned out.

There's a reason there are parables from time immemorial about crying wolf.

(*Well, the crying wolf aspect is one of the things that concerns me: another is that we are subject to a media in the UK that thinks this is a smart thing to do.)

Good thing we’re not getting a rerun of the same show. We’re not spending tens of millions to send no one to Rwanda, we have junior doctors at work not on the picket line and we no longer have a government bribing wealthy pensioners to buy their vote. And all in three months.

My opinion on this is that anyone who is such a control freak as to jail people for what they say is clearly a very dark person.

@hamstersarse Seriously, do you not have any idea about how law works in UK? No, we can't just go around 'saying' whatever we like. Thankfully we have legislation that clearly define the boundaries. And further to that, Starmer did not jail them. You may not have noticed, but that's not actually his job.

My opinion on this, as you say, is that anyone who thinks that a leader of a country is being a control freak by ensuring that established legislation is adhered to for the good and safety of their country is clearly a very sensible and competent person. The 'dark' people are those who incite violence and hatred and those who think it's acceptable.

FYI, I am not a Labour voter.

Hopefully Starmer will at least offer to pay the VAT on his freebies, it’s his moral obligation

Are you going to for ask this to apply retrospectively to all MPs? Or Starmer only @80smonster ?