Labour

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

No questions the Tories were bad, but Labour are on another level.

Are you still happy you voted them in? Be honest now, you are having your doubts aren’t you?

If not, you really should be.

Well, thats where Labour will fall down, without SM/CU there can be no significant closer alignment the trade deal isn't due for any reneg for another 2 years, so at least another 3 years before anything changes.

Reform always requires money, especially as Starmer wants to digitise the NHS, he must surely know that IT costs a fortune.

@EasternStandard

"Many think people and businesses won't react to tax regimes and there is not a competitive market in other countries attracting them"

I would say at this point in time it is impossible to really forecast how many very wealthy high income earners will or will not move to other countries because of Labour's future tax plans.

Now there has always been a spectrum on the left of those that wish to improve the situation of less well off and those that simply wish to "bash the rich".

What is concerning is the number of posters who take the view that they don't care or are even happy if high income tax payers leave the country.
This reinforces the message that the wealthy and high income are not wanted.

This message is as damaging as higher rates of taxation in encouraging capital flight.

That @ will go nowhere. Why are you worried about being deleted? MNHQ hasn't deleted any of your posts so far, have they?

Could you provide the link to the 9,500 figure please? I'd like to see how it was calculated. Cheers.

MNHQ delete for more than 'personal attacks' with the emphasis on personal - need to review the T&C!

See also Please be respectful above the posting box

The days of taxation avoidance tourism may be coming to an end.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/article/2024/aug/12/no-more-fiscal-favours-calls-to-tax-super-rich-gain-traction-around-world

The UK cannot compete with low/zero tax regimes, no one can, if people wish to live in Dubai, they will, regardless of the UKs tax rate.

The UK has decided to get rid of Nom Doms, done under the previous Govt, they ve made it far harder for international students to study here, we've made access to the EU far harder.

I'd argue that far lower earners like Junior Doctors, Teachers and AHPs leaving the UK is a far bigger and more immediate problem for the UK, all that time and money invested in mainly younger people now benefiting another country, whilst our public services fall off a cliff.

Labour have been in for 2.5months, so far the £ is up, as is the FTSE100/250, so much for the doomsday predictors.

The pp had everything deleted, that normally only happens when a previously banned poster re appears.

Agree damaging but madness for businesses, tax receipts and what dc will get.

And as said in pp even Blair didn't foster this rhetoric. It's been a while for the UK to get this gov

I'd argue that far lower earners like Junior Doctors, Teachers and AHPs leaving the UK is a far bigger and more immediate problem for the UK, all that time and money invested in mainly younger people now benefiting another country, whilst our public services fall off a cliff.

I’d agree with that. I’d make a start by writing off tuition fees for health care professionals who work in the NHS for a specified period.

Oh I’ve been around a lot longer than you know…

I'd argue that far lower earners like Junior Doctors, Teachers and AHPs leaving the UK is a far bigger and more immediate problem for the UK

I have no doubt people would argue this, particularly those in the public sector.

It still doesn't help tax receipts and how to maximise them to pay those people.

Labour need growth or it's more 'difficult decisions'. This is would probably hit the public sector last due to affiliation but may not be avoided if they can't do what they stated.

You said you were a first time poster?

You are an NHS worker yes?

Correct.

One observés before posting, naturally.

Exactly, growth far out ways a few v wealthy leaving the UK, many of whom would have been avoiding much tax in the first place.

We cannot attract FDI unless we have good public services and a skilled workforce, that requires AHPs and Teachers, among others.

Starmer has painted himself into a corner over the EU.

It was an attempt at levity.

Fair enough. Could you please link to the source for the 9,500 figure? Ta ever so.

I have no doubt people would argue this, particularly those in the public sector.

I imagine the 7.5 million people on NHS waiting lists or who can’t get a dental or GP appointment would argue it.

It wasn't you that said talking about the EU was a 'trap' to get the media to turn on Starmer was it?

Maybe another poster. I had that a few times it was madness.

Labour can repent at leisure as they struggle to deliver when they have billed growth as the way to do pretty much anything

I disagree on the weighting you are giving public services v tax regime. Capital is mobile, 'many of whom' not paying doesn't wash and tax regimes are competitive.

No, people shouldn't be forced to stay in a sector they don't want to be in and that is the problem with this sort of deal.

Tuition fees should never have been forced upon healthcare workers.

If the NHS want motivated and loyal staff, then improve working conditions, so they want to stay.

Writing off a debt is an incentive not a compulsion. Carrot, not stick.

Labour are going to struggle with waiting lists and pretty much doing anything at all including getting defence budget up if they implement a tax regime that limits growth

And if people and businesses do find more attractive tax markets

Ive selected the guardian for you.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/21/britain-millionaires-leave-tax-havens-uk

Did you miss the global inclination towards removing more attractive tax markets I posted above?

Ha at this article

I like that The Guardian has the figure but it's undiluted Labour mn thread in a few hundred words.

It's kind of funny but not when you see the outcomes