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Biden Resigns = 1st Female Black President

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ProudHazelHelper · 22/07/2024 00:11

For Biden to resign would be the best possible outcome for the Democrat party, giving them the black vote in perpetuity. He will be lauded as the first to coronate the 1st Female Black President in history. Otherwise, he'll just be remembered as a senile old corrupt hack.

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Wabash6503 · 25/08/2024 08:43

SummerFeverVenice · 25/08/2024 07:36

More like history, no female candidate has won ever. Hilary Clinton lost massively to Trump. Think about that, people would rather have a misogynist playboy idiot as President than a woman.

Thanks for proving my point. 😉

Arconialiving · 25/08/2024 09:42

Lengokengo · 25/08/2024 07:40

Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote. She got more votes than Trump overall. It’s just the way that the US has the electoral college system means that it ultimately didn’t mean that she won the Presidency.

So did Al Gore & Trump over Biden, I believe.

knitnerd90 · 25/08/2024 10:26

no, Biden won the popular vote. So did Al Gore. Bush beat Kerry in the popular vote in 2004.

(Worth pointing out that, of course, the same distortionary principle applies to UK parliamentary elections. It's just very obvious in a single head to head race.)

Arconialiving · 25/08/2024 12:09

Thanks @knitnerd90 - I wasn't sure about Trump but did know about Al Gore.

Agree re UK politics & I imagine that Labour will stick with first past the post now they've benefitted rather than moving to proportional representation as they've supported previously!

Lalgarh · 25/08/2024 12:54

Lengokengo · 25/08/2024 07:40

Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote. She got more votes than Trump overall. It’s just the way that the US has the electoral college system means that it ultimately didn’t mean that she won the Presidency.

And this is the risk this time

Wabash6503 · 26/08/2024 00:49

Lalgarh · 25/08/2024 12:54

And this is the risk this time

It's not a risk, it's a feature. Designed that way to prevent tyranny. And it's worked for over 200 years. Not sure if history has been rewritten about how America came to become a nation, but tyranny is something we don't tolerate.

SummerFeverVenice · 26/08/2024 08:06

Lengokengo · 25/08/2024 07:40

Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote. She got more votes than Trump overall. It’s just the way that the US has the electoral college system means that it ultimately didn’t mean that she won the Presidency.

Yes popular vote counts for nothing in US and U.K.
Electoral college and pass the post were established specifically to prevent the unwashed masses from using their votes to elect the ‘wrong’ candidate.

We whinge about Russian tampering with elections, but the election systems in both countries are designed to keep the elites in power.

SummerFeverVenice · 26/08/2024 08:10

Wabash6503 · 26/08/2024 00:49

It's not a risk, it's a feature. Designed that way to prevent tyranny. And it's worked for over 200 years. Not sure if history has been rewritten about how America came to become a nation, but tyranny is something we don't tolerate.

Tyranny of the common man, not the classic definition of tyranny. Articles claiming it’s to protect against people like Trump are having a laugh- the electoral college is biased to favour whichever party is in power. So when Biden ran against Trump, Trump had the weight of the electoral college bias behind him.

Wabash6503 · 26/08/2024 20:27

SummerFeverVenice · 26/08/2024 08:10

Tyranny of the common man, not the classic definition of tyranny. Articles claiming it’s to protect against people like Trump are having a laugh- the electoral college is biased to favour whichever party is in power. So when Biden ran against Trump, Trump had the weight of the electoral college bias behind him.

That seems counter to the point you're trying to make. I think if it more along the lines of Thomas Jefferson, who opposed "every form of tyranny over the minds of man", which was with in the context of faith in Christ against oppression. The example being how the King of England was oppressive towards the colonies. And I see a lot of similarities between the policies of King George III and the Biden/Harris administration's handling of COVID, persecution of RFK, and election interference... Currently. Other recent examples in America...Watergate, Affordable Care Act, 2020 Election Denial.

MsAmerica · 03/09/2024 02:53

Runbunny · 22/07/2024 09:47

The outcome of the US election has enormous implications for the whole world.

Which makes it all the more depressing that the U.S. doesn't do a better job of it.

MsAmerica · 03/09/2024 02:56

SummerFeverVenice · 25/08/2024 07:36

More like history, no female candidate has won ever. Hilary Clinton lost massively to Trump. Think about that, people would rather have a misogynist playboy idiot as President than a woman.

Excuse me, but I feel obliged to point out that Hilary massively WON the popular vote. A lot of people feel she lost the presidency due to a series of disastrous flukes.

NiftyKoala · 03/09/2024 03:07

MsAmerica · 22/07/2024 01:37

I'm not a fan of Kamala, but I know I'm in the minority. She's not the best woman candidate and probably not the best black candidate.

The obvious candidate should be Hillary Clinton. But, sadly, American politics don't permit that kind of thing.

As an American woman I can't agree more. Hillary was robbed.

mathanxiety · 03/09/2024 05:03

MsAmerica · 03/09/2024 02:56

Excuse me, but I feel obliged to point out that Hilary massively WON the popular vote. A lot of people feel she lost the presidency due to a series of disastrous flukes.

She lost due to a grotesque character assassination campaign and dog whistle rhetoric, but also to a massive miscalculation on the part of her team (and presumably herself too) - they forgot about the Electoral College.

Winning the popular vote with a massive total showed that Americans are willing to vote against Trump. I don't think all 70+ million people who cast a vote for her were thrilled about her as a candidate, or about Biden four years later. I hope the willingness to vote against Trump carries the day in November, along with what looks like genuine enthusiasm about Harris and Walz.

mathanxiety · 03/09/2024 05:06

SummerFeverVenice · 26/08/2024 08:10

Tyranny of the common man, not the classic definition of tyranny. Articles claiming it’s to protect against people like Trump are having a laugh- the electoral college is biased to favour whichever party is in power. So when Biden ran against Trump, Trump had the weight of the electoral college bias behind him.

I'm not sure you understand what the Electoral College is or how it is composed.

MsAmerica · 08/09/2024 04:13

mathanxiety · 03/09/2024 05:03

She lost due to a grotesque character assassination campaign and dog whistle rhetoric, but also to a massive miscalculation on the part of her team (and presumably herself too) - they forgot about the Electoral College.

Winning the popular vote with a massive total showed that Americans are willing to vote against Trump. I don't think all 70+ million people who cast a vote for her were thrilled about her as a candidate, or about Biden four years later. I hope the willingness to vote against Trump carries the day in November, along with what looks like genuine enthusiasm about Harris and Walz.

Well, for that matter, I imagine that everywhere across the world, people may vote for candidates they're not thrilled about. America, in particular, seems to have a attention-span problem, always looking for the shiny new toy.

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