Reform are getting a shitload of voters

[HeBeaverandSheBeaver]

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

There maybe an element of that, but the stats do not suggest this is there core demographic. It isn't well heeled pensioners voting reform in Sunderland I tell you that for nothing. Talking about " these people" it's divisive. We need to work together, all sections of our society need to feel heard. It's actually not the boomers which worry me, it's the male youth vote. Reform reaching parts other politicians can't reach. Dismiss this at your peril it's chilling.

There are no other true 'right wing' parties. Conservatives have headed too far to the left which means for those that have different views on the keeping the NHS, taxation policy and the funding of public services have no real alternative to select. Hopefully after this the Conservatives will realise that they need to realign with their traditional voters and stop trying to be everything to everyone.

Yes absolutely.

I don't dispute that there are graduates who remain and more ethnic diversity. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone who is left behind is a right-wing voter. But the fact remains that if 10,000+ students who tend to be more left-wing have gone home to their leafy Tory suburbs, that will reduce their impact on the vote in their university constituencies.

@Neurodiversitydoctor

There maybe an element of that, but the stats do not suggest this is there core demographic. It isn't well heeled pensioners voting reform in Sunderland I tell you that for nothing. Talking about " these people" it's divisive. We need to work together, all sections of our society need to feel heard. It's actually not the boomers which worry me, it's the male youth vote. Reform reaching parts other politicians can't reach. Dismiss this at your peril it's chilling.

^youve articulated this in a way I wish I could at this time of night! Dismiss this at your peril.
It's very, very worrying.

What about the far right in Germany?

@LiterallyOnFire I hope you are right ! And if all else fails I hope you can go to Germany for longer than 90 days. I'm not saying that sarcastically btw because I agree with you about being better off out of it. But obviously it's not just as easy as packing up and going now it's a long process to become an EU resident.

Hmm. I don't think that is a safer bet. In fact I think it would be worse. They have even bigger problems than the UK with immigration.

Last time I checked Germany had a centre left government as the UK will have tomorrow.

I'm nervous about this (I am not white) particularly as they seem to be rather an unknown quantity at the moment.

You do understand that it's now quite well accepted by economists that movement of labour - immigration - has indeed affected the job market for lower income people, and affected things like housing availability for the same people, in a significant way?

Do you think it's racist to crunch numbers?

Germany have the benefit of specific anti-Nazi legislation. They might make mistakes but they'll struggle to go far right again.

And luckily DH has an EU citizenship (which I realise not everyone does).

Thanks, it’s good to see many others on this thread agree.

Leaving this thread now I think I’ve had my say 😂 and can’t be arsed tonight with the reform apologists irrespective of their alleged race or nationality.

I’ll check the final results in the morning. Here’s hoping they got less than predicted but I doubt it tbh.

@crowgift I feel the same

Me pointing out that a word has racist connotations, and you jumping to the conclusion that it means I haven’t been somewhere is an odd leap which makes me think you have poor reading comprehension. You then asserting that “white ghettos are a thing”, needing to qualify that some ghettos are white, further reinforces my point that the word is associated with minorities.

Doing well in the North East. Doubt they will repeat that nationwide. Its up to the Tories now. Go back to the centre. Or go whoring after the extremist vote. Then Labour must deliver or maybe the OP will be right.

@LiterallyOnFire you have the golden ticket ! If you decide you don't want him send him my way 😉 hope you get some sleep I'm too stressed 😂

Wrong there though ; their core demographic obviously. Years of night shifts have some sort of upside.

What do you think should be done with the thick gammonny folk who voted for Brexit and have now supported Reform?

Those slating the North East voters probably don't know what it's been like under a constant Labour Council, and seeing what they DON'T do and how much ruin has become of the place esp in Sunderland. People are sick to the back teeth of Labour knowing they have a safe seat so they can sit back and take the piss! People also are reluctant to vote Conservative so generally find themselves stuck with Labour or making a protest vote and Reform is that (although I went with GP)

I've also mentioned on another thread a couple of weeks ago about the eye rolling and dismissive behaviour and attitude of my labour candidate - now MP - when asked questions, when one of his canvassers was at the door. I told him there and then I wouldn't be voting him after that. If that was the general attitude of his campaign then I'm not surprised at how the voting went for many undecided people.

All of which I know.

Go and patronise somebody else, please.

Regardless of the government, there is a problem with racism in Germany.

I am northern working class and white and know people who support Reform. And I agree with you.

FPTP isn’t really protecting you from reform it’s simply ensuring that people are frustrated with democracy and don’t feel heard and that we risk centre right parties drifting further to the right to try to win reform votes. So “reform” itself might not get in but instead their populist right ideas infect the entire conservative manifesto instead - to me this is more dangerous.

If we had a proper representational democracy where everyone’s vote counted, you would likely see a lot of the “protest” vote in reform evaporate and the two party system would be less polarised - for e.g., the conservatives able to stay “small c”conservative and keep a comfortable majority of the right wing vote, perhaps entering into a coalition with reform who get a c. 8% share of seats.

That way is actually much better because the toxic ideas of the reform party would stay within their remit, people who support them would see fair representation in government (the cornerstone of democracy after all) and the main Conservative Party wouldn’t have to tactically pander to their voting base as they would be comfortable getting most of the right wing vote nationally in a proportional system.

See recent results in New Zealand and the National Party (their equivalent of conservatives) and the Act party (their reform) for how that might work.

If he does the weird beard trim again, he's yours.

I'm just going to nap on the sofa with the telly on. I don't want to sleep past 3.30.