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Reform are getting a shitload of voters

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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/07/2024 23:27

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

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WayOutOfLine · 05/07/2024 00:52

Why does everyone keep saying those voting Reform aren't listened to- they won Brexit! It might not have been Brexit-y enough for them in reality, but they did win. Rishi did try to please them with the Rwanda plan, even though it was a bit slow.

Fantapops · 05/07/2024 00:52

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:51

Oh there's racism. Lots of it within Reform.

I just don't think everyone voting for them is racist.

I mean, I hope I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'll be emigrating.

Of course you're wrong. Racism is the biggest tagline of Reform. When people who vote Reform say they 'want change' the biggest thing on their mind is immigration. The party is led by Farage for goodness sake!

Jutemat · 05/07/2024 00:52

MrHarleyQuin · 05/07/2024 00:51

No seats yet.

They wont get many at all but its a big victory for them

TheCompactPussycat · 05/07/2024 00:53

anythinginapinch · 05/07/2024 00:44

What are you ON? There's been two results and Swindon is not one of them

Are you watching on +1? Rewound and forgot to fast forward?

Swindon South was declared at around 12.20.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:53

ExitPursuedByABare · 05/07/2024 00:52

Where would you go? “@LiterallyOnFire

Germany. They have their trouble but they're so scared of their Nazi past, I feel they're safer. Also, contacts there.

Kendodd · 05/07/2024 00:55

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 00:46

Listen I am a middle class, middle aged white privileged, London liberal (well now live in the naice bit of Kent) buuuut we have to change our thinking on this. Brexiters are not thick ( they maybe misinformed) neither are they racist ( they may be mistaken that immigration is the problem). Please, please don't fuel this anger and division. It leaves an open goal for that charlatan Farage.

I disagree.
We've been tip toeing around them for ages, bending over backwards to accommodate them. How's that going? I think it's about time we called them out for what they are. And I think this character of Leave/Reform voters being the poor downtrodden is just wrong. Well heeled, home countries pensioners voted Leave in droves and I'd be amazed if they didn't vote Reform in large numbers as well.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 00:56

Ringpeace · 05/07/2024 00:50

White ghettos are a thing.

Try and "comprehend" that.

White privilege is still a thing in ghettos.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:56

The fact that it is a university city isn't as relevant in this election as others because the election has been held outside of university term time.

It's a known tactic designed to reduce the strong left-wing student vote in university cities. It happened in 1992 as well and was, in part, what helped John Major win a small majority.

Makes sense, but it's not just the students themselves. It's the graduates who stay on and the others who choose the most cosmopolitan spot in the county.

University cities are usually more ethnically diverse, too.

When was the Brexit referendum? Spring? Can't remember. But the university cities were remain blind surrounded by leave areas in many places.

speculoss · 05/07/2024 00:57

WayOutOfLine · 05/07/2024 00:52

Why does everyone keep saying those voting Reform aren't listened to- they won Brexit! It might not have been Brexit-y enough for them in reality, but they did win. Rishi did try to please them with the Rwanda plan, even though it was a bit slow.

It’s never enough for these people. I mean seriously they get infuriated by the sight of mixed race couples on adverts!

There was a convicted paedophile giving an interview who said he was voting Reform due to him not being able to get a job as a result of immigrants. And not because he had a criminal record! He claimed the conviction was “assault” but it was later uncovered by online sleuths he sexually assaulted a pre- teen girl!!

He chose to blame that on migrants and asylum seekers rather than the fact he’s a pervert and it’s on his record. Probably had zero qualifications either, very sloppy looking and most of all a paedo - who would hire him??.

We all know someone like this, maybe not a sex offender but utterly reckless and feckless not trying to better themselves while blaming “immigrants” and “boat people”.

Sick of corrupt politicians pandering to people like this - using their rage against brown people as a useful distraction from their corrupt ways.

Migrants are paying taxes for scum like this to use public services such as the NHS (often staffed by them) and claim their benefits.

Reform voters - along with the right wing pandering political elite & media - have helped run this country into the ground and I’ve no sympathy for them. They are all racists. Rich or poor. Period.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 00:57

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:56

The fact that it is a university city isn't as relevant in this election as others because the election has been held outside of university term time.

It's a known tactic designed to reduce the strong left-wing student vote in university cities. It happened in 1992 as well and was, in part, what helped John Major win a small majority.

Makes sense, but it's not just the students themselves. It's the graduates who stay on and the others who choose the most cosmopolitan spot in the county.

University cities are usually more ethnically diverse, too.

When was the Brexit referendum? Spring? Can't remember. But the university cities were remain blind surrounded by leave areas in many places.

23rd of June 2016, burned into my memory

TempestTost · 05/07/2024 00:57

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:50

Listen I am a middle class, middle aged white privileged, London liberal (well now live in the naice bit of Kent) buuuut we have to change our thinking on this. Brexiters are not thick ( they maybe misinformed) neither are they racist ( they may be mistaken that immigration is the problem). Please, please don't fuel this anger and division. It leaves an open goal for that charlatan Farage.

I think you're my spirit animal @Neurodiversitydoctor Smile

We never did the hard work of unpacking what led to Brexit and it going to keep rebounding until we do, I think.

I mean, a lot of people did.

The ones that didn't, I've come to the conclusion that's a choice they've made at some level.

3GenReform · 05/07/2024 00:58

I voted Reform, my daughter voted Reform, my mother (an immigrant from S.E. Asia) voted Reform. Three generations of women in my family have voted for Reform. We are not ill-educated, or racist or any other insult that might be thrown at us. We looked at the manifestos/contract of each party. We looked at each party and agreed with some things but not necessarily everything. Reform was the best fit at this time.

I really am hoping for a change, I personally am gutted that I couldn't in my heart vote for Labour, who I think will throw women and child safeguarding under a bus. I long for some common sense, I long for a party that won't oppose something, even if it is a great idea, just because they are the opposition. I really want some common sense.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:58

23rd of June 2016, burned into my memory

Oh well done.

So, yes, not much different to this GE.

Appalonia · 05/07/2024 00:58

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 00:52

Putin's money has been well spent again?

Oh don't be bloody ridiculous. I'm just commenting on what ive been witnessing on TwiX. I'm not a Reform voter. The success of Reform is, as others have said is that pp are fed up with the current system and don't feel that either of the main parties care about them.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter but spoilt my ballot as I'm disgusted with their attitude towards women, especially my own MP.

Fantapops · 05/07/2024 00:59

I think blaming the Reform vote on people who call them out for what they are is ridiculous. People who are stupid enough to vote Reform won't have their minds changed. They're more than happy to make stupid choices (Brexit, voting for Reform) because at the root they think it'll make all the non-white people go away.

Anyone who actually thinks that will happen or is logistically possible, needs to give their head a wobble. There's nothing clever about that line of thinking and they certainly haven't been disenfranchised given that the Leave voters literally won.

All this over pure racism. Disgusting. Ashamed to live in the UK tonight.

morningvole · 05/07/2024 00:59

@Fantapops where do you live? I'm in the North. People can't get appointments, they can't get dentist appointments, they are experiencing homelessness because there aren't enough council properties available, they can't stay in emergency temp accommodation because it's all full (asylum seekers stay there) , people are poorer than ever, crime is rife, parts of towns are no longer safe, the town centres are full of pound shops. These people feel forgotten, they are politically homeless. They switch the tv on and see asylum seekers arriving "on the boats", getting houses and cared for and it solidifies their point.

Then Nigel appears saying he'll fix it all.

If you don't live here you won't understand. I'm watching it happen with my own eyes. The people I know who have voted Reform aren't racist, I don't have any racist friends or acquaintances. They've simply watched their towns be decimated resulting in a miserable existence for them and Nigel is telling them it's all the fault of the boats.

Sneering at them and calling them thick will only cause more division.

cantgetmybreath · 05/07/2024 00:59

@speculoss Everything you have said is true

TempestTost · 05/07/2024 00:59

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:51

Oh there's racism. Lots of it within Reform.

I just don't think everyone voting for them is racist.

I mean, I hope I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'll be emigrating.

Where would you go?

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 01:00

Germany @TempestTost

LikeToBeOnABeachRightNow · 05/07/2024 01:00

Prawncow · 05/07/2024 00:36

The danger is if the Conservatives lean into this. Cameron only promised a referendum on Brexit because of the threat of UKIP. If the Conservatives feel that acting like Reform will win them votes they’ll do it.

This. Telegraph were playing that game via Allison Pearson.
Also, they had a large social media presence, 'reform' voters were commenting on everything - appeared quite bot-like.

Fantapops · 05/07/2024 01:01

morningvole · 05/07/2024 00:59

@Fantapops where do you live? I'm in the North. People can't get appointments, they can't get dentist appointments, they are experiencing homelessness because there aren't enough council properties available, they can't stay in emergency temp accommodation because it's all full (asylum seekers stay there) , people are poorer than ever, crime is rife, parts of towns are no longer safe, the town centres are full of pound shops. These people feel forgotten, they are politically homeless. They switch the tv on and see asylum seekers arriving "on the boats", getting houses and cared for and it solidifies their point.

Then Nigel appears saying he'll fix it all.

If you don't live here you won't understand. I'm watching it happen with my own eyes. The people I know who have voted Reform aren't racist, I don't have any racist friends or acquaintances. They've simply watched their towns be decimated resulting in a miserable existence for them and Nigel is telling them it's all the fault of the boats.

Sneering at them and calling them thick will only cause more division.

Scotland. Things are just as shit here. Every party says they'll fix it. Anyone who believes that Farage of all people will are thick. Anyone who believes that asylum seekers automatically get a lovely house and lots of money are just as thick. It's not divisive to call them what they are.

PigletJohn · 05/07/2024 01:01

I see numbers of Reform leaning people, but I don't believe there are enough to gain political power. They are discontented Brexers, strongly right-wing, mostly Conservative defectors, and almost invariably of, or above, retirement age. There is practically no support among the young.

Farage can see the clusters of such voters, and picked the biggest one for himself.

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:01

Appalonia · 05/07/2024 00:58

Oh don't be bloody ridiculous. I'm just commenting on what ive been witnessing on TwiX. I'm not a Reform voter. The success of Reform is, as others have said is that pp are fed up with the current system and don't feel that either of the main parties care about them.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter but spoilt my ballot as I'm disgusted with their attitude towards women, especially my own MP.

I am impressed that you know who paid for those twits.

morningvole · 05/07/2024 01:01

A lot of it is nostalgia. I hear a lot of conversations about the good old days, especially from older generations.

I pray Labour can fix this or next time we'll be toast.

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 01:02

Well I'm going to get some sleep for a couple of hours.

Hopeful thought: The Brexit party didn't survive long after the referendum. None of these far right parties last long.