Reform are getting a shitload of voters

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I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

I'm really worried about this. Reform plus Tory is a bit chunk of the vote. People who are right leaning have felt let down by the supposed centre right party and lurched further right. The conservatives have some big choices about how to regain those Reform votes. Will they lurch further right too. Will they go for more moderate policies and chase lib dem votes even though they are quite different philosophy.

Labour has only 5 years to prove to voters they are better. They have a mess of a country to sort, very little ability to change tax. If people don't feel change has happened that next election could go further right than we have had before.

But what happens if those people who have the wealth leave and take their companies with them

I was very scared for reform in my home town (I no longer live there). My home town after 14 years of neglect elected a labour MP, reform split the Tory vote. I am for the first time in so many years proud of Yorkshire, not submitting to racism and xenophobia as the first line and I’m sure tactical voting to get rid of the tories. Yorkshire is as it should be, once again, a red wall.

I remain scared of the potential reform has, but for all their wealth and all their bigotry they’ve only got 4 seats. Let it not fester to more than this. They got in in predominantly white, ultra deprived areas with lots of social problems and issues. Let those four experience being constituency MPs and actual accountability by nature of being MP.

My seat went from the SNP to Labour. It has been so refreshing knowing the result would be SNP or Labour. Not Tory and not reform.

I do not love keir starmer, I am a Jeremy Corbyn era Labour member (since left), but I hope for a kinder country for the working classes and this is a massive relief

What? Where are they going? You can’t get into America, or Europe. The commonwealth countries have pretty strict immigration policies, and who wants to live in SE Asia? Maybe a fraction of people will somehow move away, far far less than the people caught up in it.
Anyway, I’m talking about unearned wealth of inheritance and house prices.
Those people aren’t going anywhere.

A CGT on house sales would also be a good idea, and scrap stamp duty.

They got more votes than the Lib Dems too.

The Tory’s are not racist. Have you not noticed that the prime minister and several of his cabinet members are not white?

Not to forget the insane inflation in that period. The recent col crisis pales into insignificance in comparison.
Old Enough to Remember.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jul/04/uk-general-election-results-2024-live-in-full

Interactive map of results ! Now I know where to avoid 😬 thankfully my area isn’t one of them.

He is the Bookies favourite to take over from Starmer . Currently 7/1.

I reckon votes of no confidence will start around March/April next year and we will have a new PM next summer - Starmer got fewer votes than Corbyn I understand.

Labour won by default, Starmer was a Trojan horse.

This country is fucked

The groundswell of support for Reform is certainly worrying.

In my constituency (large, mainly rural and one of the safest Tory seats in the country) the two major parties took the majority vote share as expected but Reform pulled twice as many votes as the Lib Dems.

That's very disappointing, but one great advantage of a first-past-the-post system is that fringe parties like this are mostly prevented from ever gaining a foothold.

They got in in predominantly white, ultra deprived areas with lots of social problems and issues

yes it's amazing how turkeys vote for Christmas. Poor people in non-affluent areas voting for people who'll put them down even more. Lets not forget that it's all there in plain sight - Reform's manifesto makes crystal clear that they will remove employment rights.

Your teens did not read the Reform manifesto if they voted for them. Other than removing interest on tuition fees, there was nothing at all in there for young people. Absolutely nothing.

You can get into anywhere if you have the money

Most countries would welcome you with open arm if you have wealth

I am moving abroad and I certainly don’t have wealth
But being in the UK is just not safe.

Oh there’s plenty. From what I have seen the teens are getting fed up of all the woke agenda. Most of them have more sense than a lot of adults

Yep that’s women voting for labour - Turkeys voting for Christmas

@Yalta “I am moving abroad and I certainly don’t have wealth
But being in the UK is just not safe.“

Safe from what exactly?

Nigel Farage is not a great campaigner for women either

@ Yalta “Most countries would welcome you with open arm if you have wealth”

Which countries? You need a lot of wealth, and moving to somewhere like Thailand is not for everyone. Nor Malta etc.

People who say the wealthy wont move and will continue to be taxed and taxed, of course they will! With money you can move. This view that the very wealthy who spend in our hotels restaurants etc wont leave because they live in the same house as where they were born with their Mum round the corner is laughable.

I could move abroad now. We looked at it a number of years ago but husband didnt want to leave his parents. They have both passed as have mine so the reason to stay isnt there.

Exactly- most countries specifically allow people in if they’re worth ££££.

As for that posters view on CGT on house sales, exactly the sort of idiotic mentality that got Labour in. The housing market would stagnate, house prices of the few on the market would increase to account for tax.

No, it’s the racism and bigotry.

Unlike Labour and Tories who want huge migration because it suppresses wages and gives the impression of increasing gdp.

Rather than entice unemployed people from the unemployment hot spots, train and house them, they’d prefer to let other countries train people, let them move to the UK.
Those policies haven’t worked since the de industrialization of the UK.

That’s why they need to introduce a land value tax. People with millions in housing should be paying more than people in an apartment.

Labour will be getting the money off the wealthy, one way or another.

@Tracker1234 where are you going then?

When a large number of your party’s candidates are openly and unapologetically racist, homophobic and bigoted, and when there are many other more “mainstream” parties more likely to get into power who don’t broadly have those views, then of course it makes sense to assume those voting for the little racist bigoted party’s are likely to be racist and bigoted themselves. Or don’t care about those issues. Which is the same thing.