Reform are getting a shitload of voters

[HeBeaverandSheBeaver]

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

Well it's nice to wake up to reform not doing as well as predicted! Not going to trawl through the other 200 replies I've missed since going to sleep. Don't really have the energy for any racist deniers today.

I hope Labour have had policy teams on this for months already.

@Kovus “Meanwhile, Starmer will quietly get on with housing, redistributing wealth, infrastructure investment, investment in jobs and training while balancing a fine line on the economy. ”

I hope you are right, but I think it’s wishful thinking.

Well Labour think women have penises and are actively backing an ideology which targets and result in the infertility of many with autism, esp girls. I assume you have also discussed this ( enforced your political ideology) on your son and said this should automatically exclude Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the Greens from his vote too? Did you all discuss how this excludes women from sports, the work place, healthcare, rape and domestic violence crisis centres. How he should use his “privilege” to support women who this Government are going to target for exclusion and silencing? What were his views on that? I assume you have given him a copy of the Handmaids Tale

Pity we have a bunch of misogynistic idiots in number 10

Well Labour think women have penises and are actively backing an ideology which targets and

I've been so angry with Labour for this but just maybe they will ditch the silly woke posing now that they've got a big, real job on their hands.

Controversial but wish it was Corbyn at the helm.

I’ve no idea why people think Labour are going to change their views on women and trans now

look at people like Trudeau, he’s so far gone with it, and when ‘lobbied on it’ which is what I hear people on here saying they will do to change minds, he just brands these people homophobe bigots.

That scenario is much more likely than Starmer suddenly declaring TW are not women

Labour are coming into this Parliament in a very different position to last time they entered power. Tax is already the highest it has been for 70 years. UK debt is much higher in no small part due to Covid. There is no gold reserve to use. The NHS is still paying billions of debt from Labour’s last time in government.

Its that sort of dismissive attitude that lead to Brexit

Reform got 4 million votes, Lib Dems 3.5 million votes. We should all be very worried about this.

Seriously??

I didn't realise we have so many bigots here.

The massive inequality now is people who paid £40k for a 3 bed semi vs. people now paying £300k for the same.

Labour need to tap into all that unearned wealth sat in housing. Hitting pensions (which is earned wealth) will cause resentment. Though Gorden Brown did it previously.
Another thing is pensioners not being required to pay NI. They should be paying at least some % or monetary figure for healthcare. At what point can you stop paying insurance and benefit from cover for free for another 20 or 30 years?

What are you talking about

Are you forgetting the shit show of Harold Wilson’s Labour Government upping the tax to 83% for the highest earners
Then there was the 70s when the basic rate of income tax was 35%
(I did pay that in my first job)

It’s probably the lowest tax for 70 years

Yes. They have to go after wealth.
But also introduce regional income taxes like in Switzerland. That way we’d get more companies and people working in the regions rather than everything happening in the South East.
But I digress from ‘Reform bad’.

I said Tax not personal tax.

Have you missed the SNP in power for over a decade?

Watch Reform. Its not good calling their voters thick, racist etc. They might not stand for what you want but their votes are equally as important. Imagine what would have happened if Tories had done a deal with Reform and stood together...

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OneForTheToad · Today 07:37
The massive inequality now is people who paid £40k for a 3 bed semi vs. people now paying £300k for the same

I paid around that for a house but I was on £2500 per year

I now work a minimum wage job and am now on 10 times that amount and yet the £40k house is now only £300k
By your assumptions it should be easier to buy a house now

Don’t forget there was no minimum wage at the time houses were £40k. It was a case of how desperate you needed the money and how low you could sell yourself for

One could argue that problem was created by the Blair / Brown government though. The benefits systems drive to more and more in-work benefits is effectively the state subsiding big business. So, rather than pay people a fair wage/salary, that govenment encouaged minimum wage jobs, topped up by benefits, to bolster its core vote. Then they swamped the market with graduates, far beyond the number of graduate jobs, depressing graduate salaries for generations as well. If that govenment had invested in business / industry at the same time, instead of lumbering the NHS and schools with debt, perhaps they would also have created a demand for all the graduates, increasing wages and salaries for all by creating scarcity of staff at the bottom. Their legacy is still a hollowing out of career progession for the lowest paid by imposing a 'grafuate celing' on theor aspirations. Then of course if any future government tries to change the benefits system there is uproar...

Absolutely right. Labour sold much of our gold reserve at very low prices. There just isn’t the money that was available for Blair’s government. Money alone (even if we’d got any) won’t solve the NHS crisis. And anyone who says immigration numbers is not an issue must live in a bubble. It’s not about race, it’s about infrastructure, integration (some cultures have mediaeval views about women) and the speed of change in many (mainly poorer) neighbourhoods.

So who pays “Tax” as opposed to personal tax

Or are you dealing with amounts and trying to compare 1954 to 2024 and being surprised the amount is higher

I voted to leave the EU because it was turning into a United States of Europe, and the UK has traditionally opposed that. Also because the EU bureaucracy leeches sovereignty from the participating nations and when those nations object crushes them.
I would not vote Reform (right wingers) because the reason I am a Brexiteer is that I am a 'clause 4' Bennite socialist; that is I support the views of the late Tony Benn, who opposed the EU for exactly the same reasons that I do - that it is a capitalist cartel bent on removing most agency from ordinary people in favour of big business.