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Biden. What a disaster!

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TizerorFizz · 28/06/2024 17:38

Rambling! Not coherent. Hesitant. A shambles. Is the USA really going to vote for the current President? Many think he should stand down: but who then? How can he possibly serve for 4 more years? It’s very worrying. What do you think?

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SirChenjins · 28/06/2024 17:41

I think both options are incredibly worrying.

Shortfatsuit · 28/06/2024 17:47

Americans have no viable option for president. It is an utterly appalling situation.

How is it democracy to leave voters devoid of even a single acceptable choice?

If Biden won't step down and can't be forced out, is it too late for the Democrats to field an independent Democrat candidate?

TizerorFizz · 28/06/2024 18:03

I’ve listened to hand wringing all day. I’m not sure if he can be persuaded to step down but how this situation is good for the USA is beyond me. Biden had days to prep. Trump is of course another disaster. USA politics is deeply flawed if this is the best they can do.

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MadameMassiveSalad · 29/06/2024 00:47

Missing Obama 🥲

ICanNeverRememberPasswords · 29/06/2024 00:50

The US is in a whole heap of trouble if these two are the best they have.

Really hoping Kennedy gets in.

SnowFrogJelly · 29/06/2024 01:02

SirChenjins · 28/06/2024 17:41

I think both options are incredibly worrying.

Agree.. surely there must be another choice?

Lincoln24 · 29/06/2024 01:06

Biden has been quietly effective over his term which leads me to think there is someone behind him (his family? Kamala?) who is already defacto leader. He cannot have been the person behind the legislative changes he supposedly made based on last night.

MsAmerica · 29/06/2024 02:48

TizerorFizz · 28/06/2024 17:38

Rambling! Not coherent. Hesitant. A shambles. Is the USA really going to vote for the current President? Many think he should stand down: but who then? How can he possibly serve for 4 more years? It’s very worrying. What do you think?

Your post seems very one-sided and incomplete.

It was, I must say, the worst debate I've ever seen - a fiasco on both sides.

Trump was horrifying, and it's hard to understand why anyone would vote for him. He perpetually evaded the questions, spoke grandiosely but vaguely, and he told lie after lie - possibly getting bolder as he saw that the moderators weren't going to fact-check him.

Biden's problem is partly one of personality. He comes from a civilized background and is still unused to that kind of vicious, lying attack. That's how Trump achieved prominence in the first place - in 2016, his opponents in the same party had no idea how to deal with the lies and personal attacks, and one by one they all fell by the wayside.

Personally, I suspect there was another basic problem. You may be aware that when he was young, Biden stuttered, and he did a magnificent job of overcoming that. I have a feeling that Biden was foolishly talking quickly to get in as much a response as possible, and he started tripping over his words, which made him sound as though he was losing his grip.

But, yes, it's frightening. I think his biggest problem - I mean, the biggest problem with a solution - is Kamala Harris. He should choose a different V.P.

In any case, what people may not realize is that Biden, even if less in command, has a good agenda and hires good, competent people, while Trump has what's basically a vicious, self-serving, anti-democratic agenda, and will hire criminal cronies.

MsAmerica · 29/06/2024 02:49

MadameMassiveSalad · 29/06/2024 00:47

Missing Obama 🥲

I'll say!

TizerorFizz · 29/06/2024 08:11

@MsAmerica I could have posted separately about Trump but his performance as a lying bully was expected.

I think Biden’s was worse than expected. It seems incredible that the USA has ended up with these two. What I don’t understand with Biden, if he’s “civilised” he should have accepted he’s not up to it. It wasn’t just how he speaks, which seems to be pretty basic language, it’s the confusion. I would imagine it’s everyone else he hires doing the work.

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Chocoloca · 02/07/2024 00:18

MsAmerica · 29/06/2024 02:48

Your post seems very one-sided and incomplete.

It was, I must say, the worst debate I've ever seen - a fiasco on both sides.

Trump was horrifying, and it's hard to understand why anyone would vote for him. He perpetually evaded the questions, spoke grandiosely but vaguely, and he told lie after lie - possibly getting bolder as he saw that the moderators weren't going to fact-check him.

Biden's problem is partly one of personality. He comes from a civilized background and is still unused to that kind of vicious, lying attack. That's how Trump achieved prominence in the first place - in 2016, his opponents in the same party had no idea how to deal with the lies and personal attacks, and one by one they all fell by the wayside.

Personally, I suspect there was another basic problem. You may be aware that when he was young, Biden stuttered, and he did a magnificent job of overcoming that. I have a feeling that Biden was foolishly talking quickly to get in as much a response as possible, and he started tripping over his words, which made him sound as though he was losing his grip.

But, yes, it's frightening. I think his biggest problem - I mean, the biggest problem with a solution - is Kamala Harris. He should choose a different V.P.

In any case, what people may not realize is that Biden, even if less in command, has a good agenda and hires good, competent people, while Trump has what's basically a vicious, self-serving, anti-democratic agenda, and will hire criminal cronies.

I agree with this.

MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 00:24

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Chocoloca · 02/07/2024 00:25

TizerorFizz · 29/06/2024 08:11

@MsAmerica I could have posted separately about Trump but his performance as a lying bully was expected.

I think Biden’s was worse than expected. It seems incredible that the USA has ended up with these two. What I don’t understand with Biden, if he’s “civilised” he should have accepted he’s not up to it. It wasn’t just how he speaks, which seems to be pretty basic language, it’s the confusion. I would imagine it’s everyone else he hires doing the work.

Maybe he knows no other candidate is ready for the job. Debates are useless, questions coming to you one by one and you given such short amount to answer. Even more difficult when other party is lying and attacking you. To work in the office, he does not have to deal with this. He is very experienced and knowledgeable, his heart is in hood place, has a good team. He does not have to come up with solutions to complex issues in seconds.

MariaLuna · 02/07/2024 00:29

Really hoping Kennedy gets in.

Are you fucking serious?! He does not even believe in multiple injections which save children from polio, etc, ever been to Africa?!

Dangerous man for children's health.

Yea, if JFK could come in again, bring it on I say. But life moves on. We are not living in the 1960's now....

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 02/07/2024 00:30

It's despicable that with a population the size of the US these two are the best either party can allegedly field.

Trump's going to stroll back into office again.

thisisasurvivor · 02/07/2024 00:35

Lincoln24 · 29/06/2024 01:06

Biden has been quietly effective over his term which leads me to think there is someone behind him (his family? Kamala?) who is already defacto leader. He cannot have been the person behind the legislative changes he supposedly made based on last night.

He's a criminal

How would you say he has been effective?

My god

MariaLuna · 02/07/2024 00:37

Trump's going to stroll back into office again.

Yep. And God help us all. Same with Putin. Never mind that creep in North Korea.

Funny thing is loads of US/Brits living here now in Europe...

Good luck with Farage, even Far Right in France got in. 😪

MariaLuna · 02/07/2024 00:45

He's a criminal

Talking about Trump, right? Yes he is.

Anyone voting for a man who claims it's o.k. to "grab a woman by the pussy" is not right in the head.

I could kick a man in the balls, (did the training) but would never do it unless threatened.

I'm old enough to take no shit from no man.

MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 00:55

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MrsSkylerWhite · 02/07/2024 00:58

I think he’s still the better choice than Trump. He won’t be making the decisions, his civil servants will.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 02/07/2024 01:04

He absolutely should step aside, and the Dems need to grow a spine and pick someone else, the governor of California perhaps. Or the transport secretary? There must be someone. And, come on... America is a big old ship to turn around, but there's five months to go - we just had an entire election campaign within about five weeks. If they can't do a backroom deal and just quickly parachute someone in, or worst case scenario give Harris a go, then US politics really is broken.

We cannot risk another Trump presidency. Harris would be better than Biden if it really comes down to a choice between the two, but my goodness, how utterly uninspiring is she. No real achievements to her name, has made a mess of the immigration challenges the US is facing, and just comes across as a bit bloody stupid.

Unfortunately, the elephant in the room is that she was basically picked because she ticks a couple of race/gender boxes rather than because she has done anything in particular or is capable of doing anything in particular. The American left keeps doing this. I'm glad that UK politics, embarassing and shambolic though it has been in the past 10 years, mostly manages to avoid this pitfall. The Tory Party right now is a bunch of absolute shockers, but (to be fair to the Tories) during the last leadership struggle, there were candidates of various races and both genders, and this was mostly not discussed much and the focus was very clearly on the candidates' policies, and that's exactly as it should be.

MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 01:05

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MrsSkylerWhite · 02/07/2024 01:12

Ok, if you say so.

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