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Biden. What a disaster!

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TizerorFizz · 28/06/2024 17:38

Rambling! Not coherent. Hesitant. A shambles. Is the USA really going to vote for the current President? Many think he should stand down: but who then? How can he possibly serve for 4 more years? It’s very worrying. What do you think?

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Pallisers · 02/07/2024 01:17

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https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb

Here you go. Not sure why I bothered posting this since - just like in 2020 - the bots - probably russian - are out again in force.

I do wish there was some way mumsnet could screen these out. It's not like they are even entertaining.

Roger Strassburg, of Scottsdale, Ariz., wears a cowboy hat as he watches the presidential debate between President Joe Biden and Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump at a debate watch party Thursday, June 27, 2024, in Scottsd...

Here's a look at some of the false claims made during Biden and Trump's first debate

The Associated Press examines false and misleading statements made by Donald Trump and Joe Biden as they prepare to face off in the Election 2024 presidential debate.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb

MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 01:20

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Pallisers · 02/07/2024 01:40

sure you are.

Any actual rebuttal of what the "left leaning outlet" said? Or is saying it is "left leaning" rebuttal enough?

Any "no he didn't say that he said this" or "no those aren't the facts - here are the facts"

???

XChrome · 02/07/2024 01:47

MsAmerica · 29/06/2024 02:48

Your post seems very one-sided and incomplete.

It was, I must say, the worst debate I've ever seen - a fiasco on both sides.

Trump was horrifying, and it's hard to understand why anyone would vote for him. He perpetually evaded the questions, spoke grandiosely but vaguely, and he told lie after lie - possibly getting bolder as he saw that the moderators weren't going to fact-check him.

Biden's problem is partly one of personality. He comes from a civilized background and is still unused to that kind of vicious, lying attack. That's how Trump achieved prominence in the first place - in 2016, his opponents in the same party had no idea how to deal with the lies and personal attacks, and one by one they all fell by the wayside.

Personally, I suspect there was another basic problem. You may be aware that when he was young, Biden stuttered, and he did a magnificent job of overcoming that. I have a feeling that Biden was foolishly talking quickly to get in as much a response as possible, and he started tripping over his words, which made him sound as though he was losing his grip.

But, yes, it's frightening. I think his biggest problem - I mean, the biggest problem with a solution - is Kamala Harris. He should choose a different V.P.

In any case, what people may not realize is that Biden, even if less in command, has a good agenda and hires good, competent people, while Trump has what's basically a vicious, self-serving, anti-democratic agenda, and will hire criminal cronies.

Right.
I would vote for Mr. Potatohead or an old yeller dog over Trump, for the reasons you stated and more. I can't understand why people who purport to care about human decency and the future of democracy would abstain from voting just because Biden is a doddering old man. Often you just have to take the least objectionable option.
Clearly, Trump is more objectionable.

I don't agree that Harris is the problem. She is most likely keeping Biden from falling all over himself in even more devastating ways, as all VPs do. A VP's work helping the President tends to go unnoticed.

XChrome · 02/07/2024 01:53

Pallisers · 02/07/2024 01:17

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb

Here you go. Not sure why I bothered posting this since - just like in 2020 - the bots - probably russian - are out again in force.

I do wish there was some way mumsnet could screen these out. It's not like they are even entertaining.

Facts are to Trumpers are what celery is to housecats. They might occasionally consent to giving it a sniff, but as soon as they figure out what it is, they slink away in disgust.
But good on you for trying.

MsAmerica · 02/07/2024 02:38

TizerorFizz · 29/06/2024 08:11

@MsAmerica I could have posted separately about Trump but his performance as a lying bully was expected.

I think Biden’s was worse than expected. It seems incredible that the USA has ended up with these two. What I don’t understand with Biden, if he’s “civilised” he should have accepted he’s not up to it. It wasn’t just how he speaks, which seems to be pretty basic language, it’s the confusion. I would imagine it’s everyone else he hires doing the work.

Yes, of course Biden was worse than expected. But I'm not sure why you think being civilized is incompatible with being president. As I said, I don't think it was so much a matter of confusion as a weird and awful fluke of the format working against him, and him tripping over his words in his haste.

Aussieland · 02/07/2024 02:47

thisisasurvivor · 02/07/2024 00:35

He's a criminal

How would you say he has been effective?

My god

A criminal? I must have missed that in all the news about the multiple trials Trump is embroiled in (some of which he may escape due to intervention from a corrupt Supreme Court that he lined up)

Pallisers · 02/07/2024 02:52

XChrome · 02/07/2024 01:53

Facts are to Trumpers are what celery is to housecats. They might occasionally consent to giving it a sniff, but as soon as they figure out what it is, they slink away in disgust.
But good on you for trying.

I know! I'm bowing out now until after November. I remember the bots before 2020 too.

I do particularly like a mexican for trump though. nice one.

MsAmerica · 02/07/2024 02:53

Chocoloca · 02/07/2024 00:25

Maybe he knows no other candidate is ready for the job. Debates are useless, questions coming to you one by one and you given such short amount to answer. Even more difficult when other party is lying and attacking you. To work in the office, he does not have to deal with this. He is very experienced and knowledgeable, his heart is in hood place, has a good team. He does not have to come up with solutions to complex issues in seconds.

I agree, @Chocoloca. I think Biden is in a fluky situation, partly based on the dismal way American politics function. Traditionally, the vice-president gets a leg up for the next time around, because people think that person already has some sense of the job. The problem is two-fold. People figured, and statistics agreed, that Biden was the only one who could beat Trump again, although, granted, those polls were a year or two ago. Second - and I stress that this is my personal idiosyncratic opinion, and no one agrees with me - Kamala Harris has been a bad choice for Vice President. Biden made a classic political deal, foolishly agreeing to choose a black woman as VP in exchange for black support. He fulfilled that deal, doubly so, with also appointing the first black woman to the Supreme Court. But I didn't much like Kamala before, and even less now. She was very competent in her previous position, but not here. I believe he needs a different VP, although, as I said, I haven't found a single person who agrees with me.

But, getting back to what you said, Democrats don't seem to have been brought forward - or maybe they're too busy doing their jobs so that they don't bother with the grand-standing that Trumpers do. There are a bunch of names floated as a replacement president - and almost any of them would be better than Kamala as VP, which is how I think it should go.

You make a good point that, logically, a president is not required to come up with solutions in seconds. Moreover, he doesn't have to do it singlehandedly, and one wonderful thing about Biden is that he has good advisors. (Trump, on the other hand, had a tendency to hire incompetent cronies, and the better people left or were fired.) But maybe Americans are trapped in a paranoia of something needing an instant one-man decision - news that Russia has launched missiles in the middle of the night - and they cling fanatically to that fantasy.

ExpectJudgement · 02/07/2024 02:58

thisisasurvivor · 02/07/2024 00:35

He's a criminal

How would you say he has been effective?

My god

list his crimes

BritinUtah · 02/07/2024 02:59

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Exactly. Newsom becoming president scares me much more than either Trump or Biden. California is a scary mess that many thousands are fleeing due to no police, cities being overtaken by the homeless, rampant crime and drug use and no money left. Black outs and cost of living crisis. The average house price there is about $780,000. No way.

LifeExperience · 02/07/2024 03:02

MsAmerica · 29/06/2024 02:48

Your post seems very one-sided and incomplete.

It was, I must say, the worst debate I've ever seen - a fiasco on both sides.

Trump was horrifying, and it's hard to understand why anyone would vote for him. He perpetually evaded the questions, spoke grandiosely but vaguely, and he told lie after lie - possibly getting bolder as he saw that the moderators weren't going to fact-check him.

Biden's problem is partly one of personality. He comes from a civilized background and is still unused to that kind of vicious, lying attack. That's how Trump achieved prominence in the first place - in 2016, his opponents in the same party had no idea how to deal with the lies and personal attacks, and one by one they all fell by the wayside.

Personally, I suspect there was another basic problem. You may be aware that when he was young, Biden stuttered, and he did a magnificent job of overcoming that. I have a feeling that Biden was foolishly talking quickly to get in as much a response as possible, and he started tripping over his words, which made him sound as though he was losing his grip.

But, yes, it's frightening. I think his biggest problem - I mean, the biggest problem with a solution - is Kamala Harris. He should choose a different V.P.

In any case, what people may not realize is that Biden, even if less in command, has a good agenda and hires good, competent people, while Trump has what's basically a vicious, self-serving, anti-democratic agenda, and will hire criminal cronies.

Ridiculous gaslighting. Watch YouTube videos of Biden from several years ago. He never stuttered. Continuing the coverup because Jill Biden won't relinquish her hold on power is NOT the way forward here. An alternative is.

Aussieland · 02/07/2024 03:41

Jill Biden?! That kind loyal caring woman who still teaches and has a normal life and clearly adores her husband? Why the hell would she care about power? I think you must be mistaking her for someone else 😂

MissPeaches · 02/07/2024 03:43

The Trump loonies are out in force. They won’t ever respond to real facts, they just find it entertaining to stir the pot. Scary that people that thick have a vote that counts as much as mine.

Newnamehiwhodis · 02/07/2024 03:49

Oh, the Trump zombies have found this post...

I don’t care how Biden did in the debate, he’s been a solid president. He’s got good advisors. He’s not running around spouting off at everyone like an unhinged, spoiled toddler.
his agenda isn’t about “revenge,” which that absolute ass Trump has made clear his whole agenda is about personal vendetta for his monstrous ego, and seizing control.

I hope that monster is silenced for good. I’m so very tired of seeing his poisonous face.

XChrome · 02/07/2024 03:55

Yes, somebody Trump claims is a rapist loves him. Insane.

I used to talk to this guy who ran a Hispanics for Trump group. I once commented that with critical thinking skills like his, he was obviously a graduate of Trump University. He thought I was serious and thanked me for the compliment. 😄

MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 07:32

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TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 08:17

@MsAmerica Most people I know are “civilised” in that they are well mannered and understand responsibility. That last word is key. What is responsible? Is it carrying on when you clearly are not engaged enough to do it? Or would you work actively, to coach another candidate? Or stand aside because you know you aren’t up to it? It’s too late now but the idea this great country has no other suitable Democrat must be wrong. If so, you really are in a mess,

Im no fan of how politics chooses candidates on the USA and there seems to be too much reliance on money. Also why don’t people care about outrageous statements by Trump? What has happened so that people go along with it? It’s madness. There are similar issues here but we are civilized by comparison. If Biden cannot shoot down lies, it’s very very weak. Can you imagine Obama letting that rubbish go by without comment? Most of us are gazing at the USA and thinking its collective political madness.

Having said that, looking forward already to my holiday there next year!

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MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 08:40

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Kendodd · 02/07/2024 08:43

MadameMassiveSalad · 29/06/2024 00:47

Missing Obama 🥲

Me too!
And every single other US president ever including Bush Jr.

Kendodd · 02/07/2024 08:47

Please, please please can someone SOS Taylor fucking Swift to come and rescue her country from this madness!!!!

TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 08:48

Trump could have united the USA then @MomOf1Rotty!!!! instead you’ve slumped into a ravine of lies, doddering old men and a frightening future. Don’t blame Obama. Get your sh-t together.

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MomOf1Rotty · 02/07/2024 09:10

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TizerorFizz · 02/07/2024 09:21

Utterly Bizarre.

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