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If you were 'politically homeless' have you now found a home?

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kinkytoes · 08/06/2024 06:47

I saw an interesting thread on Twitter that said Reform UK is now providing an option for those who previously felt they had nowhere to go.

Does this apply to you? Or have you decided to just 'hold your nose' and vote for someone you'd really rather not (best of a bad bunch)?

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FatFilledTrottyPuss · 08/06/2024 10:38

Toooldforthis36 · 08/06/2024 09:47

Has anyone come across this bunch? I thought the SDP fell away when LibDems formed?? Claims centre left but I don’t get that from them. And a bit Brexit for me.

But I would prefer a move away from the 2 party dominance and I am in favour of some form of PR which would allow other voices…

https://sdp.org.uk/

I’m tempted to vote SDP because they’re great on sex based rights. I’ll be doing a bit of research into their other viewpoints but I definitely don’t want to vote for any of the others, particularly not Reform.

Trezo · 08/06/2024 10:41

I will vote Greens as are quite a few people as I like their polices and dont like starmer his lies and backing Isreal genocide in Gaza. Many labour MPs are funded by Friends of Isreal. Labour Tories no difference. Greens and Independents will hold starmer to account Tories are toast. And private sector health are big donors to several Labour MPs so more privatisation of our NHS

WestEndWindy · 08/06/2024 10:42

@Livelovebehappy

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-most-controversial-moments-ukip-brexit-b1122381.html

This article details some of his statements and attitudes. He is an absolute racist.

I've said before, I have no issue with people being concerned about immigration. It's easy for some of us to say it's not an issue, it's quite localised I think. But I stand by my original statement- anyone that votes Reform condones racism. A vote for Reform is direct support for a racist. And anyway, Reform can say whatever they bloody like because they have zero chance of getting into power so they'll never be held to account. It's all total bollocks (same for the Tories BTW).

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 10:52

Yes @Toooldforthis36 I will be voting sdp if they run in my area. I even joined them for a time. Greens are complete loons, if anyone doubts that they should look at the disaster of their rule in Brighton. None of their "ideas" make any sense - they want unlimited immigration but claim to care about the environment/carbon footprint which gets worse the more people live in UK.

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 11:01

Livelovebehappy · 08/06/2024 10:19

Absolutely i'm more to the right than the left. So Labour are a weak option for me, although I did vote Labour when Blair stood, as I thought Labour were changing and moving away from the far left. But alas, that didn't last long.

Fair enough.

Allthislovelygreen · 08/06/2024 11:03

Yes I am voting Reform after years of being politically homeless. I like how unfake they seem compared to the others.

I used to be a Labour voter, but haven't voted for years. Recently though my next-door neighbour convinced me how important it was to vote, how Suffragettes fought for our right to vote, etc and that's motivated me to not be so downbeat or apathetic about politics

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 11:11

Allthislovelygreen · 08/06/2024 11:03

Yes I am voting Reform after years of being politically homeless. I like how unfake they seem compared to the others.

I used to be a Labour voter, but haven't voted for years. Recently though my next-door neighbour convinced me how important it was to vote, how Suffragettes fought for our right to vote, etc and that's motivated me to not be so downbeat or apathetic about politics

Reform are diametrically opposed to anything in the Labour party, past or present.

Farage drinks a pint to appear working class but dislikes the stuff, prefers red wine.... ultimate fakery.

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:18

I really can't understand the farage hate as he has never been in govt the hate is better directed to Sunak, May, Johnson Cameron etc. Only thing I can think is that he is blamed for leading the plebs to vote Brexit. I can assure you that the EU was never popular with the plebs which is why Major wouldn't have a referendum on Maastricht I'm 92 (way before anyone had heard of farage).

Toooldforthis36 · 08/06/2024 11:32

I think Farage is a race baiter, and an opportunist. Much like George Galloway.

Being generous, if not racist themselves, they have both ridden that tiger.

Both have gone through several parties depending on which they think most likely to garner them column inches and a wage.

I do though, think that politicians ignored some public distrust of the EU for a long time and it’s let this situation develop.

OddBoots · 08/06/2024 11:37

I don't need a party I vote for to do all the things I would chose if it was up to me. What I want is a party that is transparent enough about their decisions that we can be reasonably sure that what they did was because they thought it was for the good of the people not focused on their own self interest.

A new party created by the wealthy, that has set up as a business meaning it is even less transparent, is not something that interests me.

It does worry me though how all the parties seem focused on the negatives of migration into the UK rather than balancing that with the positives.

lovelysunshine22 · 08/06/2024 11:43

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:18

I really can't understand the farage hate as he has never been in govt the hate is better directed to Sunak, May, Johnson Cameron etc. Only thing I can think is that he is blamed for leading the plebs to vote Brexit. I can assure you that the EU was never popular with the plebs which is why Major wouldn't have a referendum on Maastricht I'm 92 (way before anyone had heard of farage).

Fantastic comment

craigth162 · 08/06/2024 11:45

ssd · 08/06/2024 07:59

Christ no. I'd rather not vote than vote reform.

100% this.

Stibble · 08/06/2024 11:45

To the posters saying that immigration has caused the collapse of our public services - do you not remember that austerity was introduced after unregulated finance caused a global economic crash in 2008? That the conservative govt in power ever since have continued to funnel money to the already rich through policy and outright corruption, starving public services of funds? That economic inequality has massively grown since then?

Reform is yet more public schoolboys looking to rinse money and power out of our broken political system. You may or may not be racist for voting for them, but you’re certainly a mug. Yes the other parties are shit, but having a tantrum by ‘protest voting’ for a more extreme version of the same doesn’t ‘show them’ at all.

WestEndWindy · 08/06/2024 11:50

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:18

I really can't understand the farage hate as he has never been in govt the hate is better directed to Sunak, May, Johnson Cameron etc. Only thing I can think is that he is blamed for leading the plebs to vote Brexit. I can assure you that the EU was never popular with the plebs which is why Major wouldn't have a referendum on Maastricht I'm 92 (way before anyone had heard of farage).

But on that basis I don't understand all the love for him. He's never been in power, he's never done anything. He can say anything he likes to get votes because he'll never have to deliver. He could say he'd make it Christmas every day but who cares because all he'll ever do is shout from the sidelines.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/06/2024 11:51

I was politically homeless through the Corbyn years and as a Scot needed to vote for whoever might be the SNP

Now pleased that with sensible Starmer and the receding threat of infection can no vote Labour again.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/06/2024 11:52

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/06/2024 11:51

I was politically homeless through the Corbyn years and as a Scot needed to vote for whoever might be the SNP

Now pleased that with sensible Starmer and the receding threat of infection can no vote Labour again.

Independence not infection 🤣

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:52

@Stibble people don't have a problem with immigration per se it is the scale ie 1.4m gross 800k net pa, unprecedented on a massive scale.Of course that is going to affect public services. Last few years has been many students bringing whole families with them and people need to earn £45k plus to be a net contributor so of course this costs. Govts have allowed universities and companies to derive the benefits of v.high immigration while passing the costs to the public.

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:56

The legacy parties are not even addressing the main problems affecting us - massive public debt, 5m plus working age people on benefits, that of war, low birthrates, worsening standard of living, family breakdown, loneliness. Farage does address some of these although not for me but people are desperate.

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 12:00

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 11:18

I really can't understand the farage hate as he has never been in govt the hate is better directed to Sunak, May, Johnson Cameron etc. Only thing I can think is that he is blamed for leading the plebs to vote Brexit. I can assure you that the EU was never popular with the plebs which is why Major wouldn't have a referendum on Maastricht I'm 92 (way before anyone had heard of farage).

I don't like him because he is unprincipled.

He went and lived the EU life in Brussels as an MEP, he took 100s of '000s in wages and expenses, whilst biting the hand that fed him, oh and doing SFA, he couldn't even be bothered to attend the Fisheries committee he was on.

Campaign to leave the EU, become an MEP BUT don't take your seat and the money....

Fraudster.

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 12:05

That goes for most politicians so what?

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 12:11

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 12:05

That goes for most politicians so what?

No it doesn't at all, Farage is pretty unique in that he took the money from an organisation he apparently hates....

Starmer Sunak etc aren't campaigning to abolish the Commons are they?

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 12:14

The EU doesn't have any money it is ultimately what countries give them through taxes on the people. So he would probably argue he was working for the people who didn't have any other outlet to get rid of the EU seeing as we weren't given a referendum on Maastricht.

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 12:15

Reform's deputy also believe that migrants should be allowed to drown in the channel.

Thats quite an extreme pov.

Even their official policy of towing back to French waters would have very severe consequences.

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 12:17

I think that they would argue that of migrants eye towed back like in Australia they would stop attempting the journey so far few migrants would drown as is happening at the moment.

Alexandra2001 · 08/06/2024 12:19

Northernnature · 08/06/2024 12:14

The EU doesn't have any money it is ultimately what countries give them through taxes on the people. So he would probably argue he was working for the people who didn't have any other outlet to get rid of the EU seeing as we weren't given a referendum on Maastricht.

He might well, doesn't make any sense though, as a ref in 1992, wouldn't have led to us leaving the EU plus the UK voted IN a conservative EU supporting Govt later in that year..... as they did again in 1997 and in ALL GE's until 2017.

UKIP on the other hand, got a max of 3m votes, never won a GE seat either.