If you were 'politically homeless' have you now found a home?

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I saw an interesting thread on Twitter that said Reform UK is now providing an option for those who previously felt they had nowhere to go.

Does this apply to you? Or have you decided to just 'hold your nose' and vote for someone you'd really rather not (best of a bad bunch)?

I will be voting Labour, but I agree that Reform is providing a home for politically homeless voters.

If you want lower taxes, smaller government, free markets, reduced government spending, abolishing ‘green’ taxes to reduce energy bills, a reduction of the welfare dependency culture, a crackdown on ‘wokery’ and real action on uncontrolled mass immigration rather than just more empty words, then the Conservatives don’t represent your views any more than Labour do. If you want to vote for a real right wing agenda, that’s what Reform are offering.

Even under FPTP, political parties can disappear and be replaced....

Even if Reform don't do so well, their ideas are being embraced by the Tories and to some extent by Labour too.

People who want these things have not thought through what they mean in practical terms for themselves or are insulated from their impacts.

Please can someone link to the site where you can work out which party most closely matches your views?

Torries Labour same fiscal rules which means continuing austerity a political choice not an economic nessessity. Greens will properly fund our NHS. Tax the wealthiest which is what this country desperately needs to fund our public services. Labour will win Tories are toast so vote Greens or Independents to hold Starmer to account.
I hope Starmer and Streeting both loae their seats as they are establishment no change there.

Give it up @Alexandra2001 most of my life we have had these things including 80s and 90s when the country was much more united and less chaotic so don't need to "imagine" it. Not to say most of the world outside Europe seems to manage perfectly fine and they have some of the same issues with low birth rates etc. as us (and again which uk had in 80s/90s as birthrates have not been at replacement rate since 1972).

Reform is just another UKIP. No thanks.

I am usually a Labour voter but the school VAT thing negatively effects me (I can't see how it will raise enough to change anything before I get jumped on with "think of the children") and I feel concerned that Starmer is going to increase grammar schools, which is largely why we have to use private in the first place. It works for him and his London lifestyle but not for a lot of people in grammar areas with SEN for example - he's penalising my child for dyslexia frankly. I can't understand his morals on this and it has made me look at Labour in more detail - to find there's not much forthcoming about costing or what will change for the better/proper plans. It's an unpopular opinion on here as everyone loves Labour but then aren't being negatively affected by their policies, so it's obvious for them who to vote for.

In my area the Libs always do well and I've seen first hand work on the pollution and pot holes, so I am going there this time.

I regularly visit different areas of the UK for work and visiting friends and family; what strikes me is how different they can be in terms of demographics, culture and economics. From the posters on this thread I think everyone is just telling us what is their current reality and experience based on where they live so I would say don’t dismiss what some else’s reality is like. For example the demographics, culture and economics of inner city London compared with rural South west Norfolk are chalk and cheese but they are both real and hold positives and challenges for those living in these places.

uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

Thank you @WestEndWindy 😊

"The money isn't there"

The UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. What Wes Streeting means is that Labour won't tackle the huge concentrations of wealth in society by redistributing some of it. Good if you're super rich, bad if you rely on public services or the NHS

Vote Green or Independent to hold zkS to account

I do wish people would stop quoting this misleading statistic we are 28th gdp per capita (the only statistic that matters) and falling fast as we have more low skilled immigration that is a net cost.And the "super wealthy" already pay more than their fair share (unless you are including companies like Amazon which I tend to agree with) taxing them even more will just make them leave the country faster than they are now.

Still homeless politically. In my very blue, unlikely to change constituency, my only option is Tory or Lib Dem.

Our Lib Dem candidate is a decent, local politician, but not sure how they would fare in Westminster. Tory candidate is meh at best, but had a huge majority at the last election.

I did the Iside with quiz linked above, and not at all surprised that I align with Labour, however their pledge to provide 8500 mental health jobs, increase health appointments is just words on a page. We are so deep in Toryville here, I haven't heard a peep from Labour.

So I'll be voting Lib Dem.

@Northernnature Lots of Labour voters do think there is a bottomless pit of money for all these changes and improvements. As massive borrowing isn’t going to happen, there are two options, grow the economy or cut services to what you can afford. The idea that a league table of richness means you can afford everything you want is obviously ludicrous. A very rich country called the USA doesn’t hsve a nhs. It’s pretty clear the OBR will put brakes on and no political party is being honest about what we can afford. The piggy bank and every piggy bank we might raid is empty. The parties just are not facing up to reality and Lsbour voters aren’t either.

grow the economy

Yup, and the quickest and easiest way to put 4% on GDP is to rejoin the single market.

But neither the Tories nor Labour are willing to even discuss the B word.

The reason the main Parties are not talking about Brexit is because it is over for us. There is no way back.
Just suppose we tried.
We would have to get it through House of Commons, then House of Lords
Then we wait for EU to say yes and wait for them to decide how much to charge us.
Imagine Hungary and France and Spain agreeing as well as the 28 or others. There would be new countries by then Serbia, Macedonia?
Then back to Parliament and only then a Referendum. It would take at least three Parliaments.
Face the truth. No Way Back. We are on our own and have to make the best of it. So lets make it work!
All IMHO of course.

I have considered myself politically homeless for some time and have been eager to see what is on offer as an alternative to labour and conservative as I have lost faith in both.
I was considering voting Green until they made it clear that an annual salary of £50k is considered well off. I earn half that but I don't think £50k is a huge salary and it really doesn't encourage people to aspire to earn more over time. I live in the SE of England where a 3 bed home is £1700 a month plus and a requirement income of 40 x the rent is normal.
How is anyone supposed to buy a home if high rents and…comparatively low wages aren't addressed?

You cannot just say “let’s make it work”. It’s as hollow as “Get Brexit done” and other such slogans. It’s bereft of ideas and how you can grow the economy. Yet again, today, it’s zero growth. We are total fools and Brexit was a huge mistake. We have let Farage and others dictate the agenda and quite simply, it’s no odds to them. Foolish people suck up the rhetoric. It will be nationalism and far right leaning politics next. The gullible aren’t capable of learning. In many ways Labour will get in because of Brexit and our lack of growth, as they advocate “change”. Yet another ludicrously simple word with no clarity of thought, let alone accurate costing. Looks like the public will be duped yet again. It’s for this reason so many don’t have a political home.

I was considering voting Green until they made it clear that an annual salary of £50k is considered well off. I earn half that but I don't think £50k is a huge salary and it really doesn't encourage people to aspire to earn more over time.

50K puts one in the top 20% of the UK's income distribution. If the top 20% of earners are not well off, what proportion would you say are?

The idea that a league table of richness means you can afford everything you want is obviously ludicrous. A very rich country called the USA doesn’t hsve a nhs.

That's a non sequiter. The fact that the USA doesn't HAVE a NHS doesn't mean that they can't afford one.

Making econocide work?

Brexit has been a dismal failure. It doesn't work. It can't work. We are all worse off. Wake up.

@MotherofPearl . It is not up to us, the UK. We have to persuade the other countries that it is in their best interest to have us back.
Imagine yourself as a citizen of a small town in France or a major city of Germany, would you want this squabbling aggressive country back into your club?
What can we offer them that is of benefit? What might they want that they do not currently have?
All I can think of is the Financial Expertise in City of London. Oh! and the legal centre that we are.
@MotherofPearl If you have good reasons to think it can be done quickly please explain.

It would take ages, perhaps 15 years.

@NewGirlinClass

It would be in the EU's own economic interests to readmit the UK.

I agree that rejoining the EU in the short term would be a difficult political manoeuvre to pull off.

But rejoining the single market and customs union is entirely possible and would bring huge economic benefit (and polls suggest that a majority of people would now support this) - it's just that neither of the two biggest parties are willing to even have that conversation.

@MotherofPearl "It would be in the EU's own economic interests to readmit the UK."
Yes, I will accept at face value your assertion that it would be in their economic interest.
But I doubt the political argument would be accepted without question, France would certainly be wary. Try as we might to keep to an economic argument. It always seemed that the EU brought politics into everything including the price of apples. French farmers blocking Spanish trucks of fruit at the border. Fishing for instance was a nightmare for the negotiators.
Did they miss us? Have there been 'regrets' that we were no longer members? Did political commentators ever write half a page on how nice it would be if we could be enticed back?

Labour are losing support because GB Energy is NOT an energy company but a device to funnel public funds to the private energy sector. It will not

1. produce energy
2. sell energy
3. own any energy infrastructure And there's no explanation as to how it will reduce bills

It's A Con!