Is Angela Raynor a liar or is it all anti Labour media bias?

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I’m well aware how anti Labour a lot of the main stream media seem to be so I wasn’t paying much attention previously to all the stuff about how she should have paid capital gains tax on her house, etc. she was adamant that she didn’t need to.

So it seems like she said it was her main residence so not liable for capital gains tax. But her husband and kids lived in a house a short distance away apparently for the first five years of their marriage which is unusual. A neighbour who lived next to her “husband’s” house said it was the main family home and Angela definitely lived there.

I’ll be sad if she has lied. Always thought she was on the side of the ordinary person. I guess the police/tax man might have a hard time proving anything though regardless of the neighbour’s statement. If all bills, etc were in the individual names there’s no evidence.

It depends why you didn’t pay taxes.

Dan Neidle explains here.

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1763179247332388952

He actually says deliberate and dishonest failure to pay the correct tax is a criminal offence.

If you own two houses, are a politician, and are very much in the public eye, you take tax advice! What planet are politicians on to think they can blag their way out of tax?

She might not be due to pay much but even if you don’t make money on the house via rent, there is still likely to be a capital gain. If she’s not had an income from the house, she had not claimed maintenance against tax. So for CGT, she could. She has no excuse for not explaining the position and paying up if she was economical with the truth.
Those posters who don’t understand about CGT on second properties need to red up.

It's forgotten not forgoten. 🤡Besides that your comment is very ironic, and if you don't know what that means (because you clearly can't even spell), it means that you are the pot calling the kettle black with your personal childish attacks. Another irony I worked for 25 years in law enforcement and it's because of people like you who are so blinkered to the reality of the kind of power hungry, under educated, liars, greedy politicians are that the UK has totally gone to the dogs. I don't even live in the UK, so my "meds" are a fabulous hike with all of my expat Brit friends up the beautiful mountains of BC. 🥰🍁🇨🇦 Hell will freeze over before I come back for labour to totally destroy the UK.

Calling people out for spelling errors or typos is low behaviour in terms of MN etiquette.

Everything else you have said about Angela Rayner's past is factually incorrect, but that doesn't surprise me given that you don't actually live here.

You don't have to live in the UK to know what a liar is when you hear one. Furthermore, calling people out on poor spelling as a reply to their nasty personal attacks that the moderator has had to delete demonstrates the level of education of some of the posters which is actually a very valid point.

Well, given that what you wrote about Rayner's background and upbringing was completely untrue, I think you may wish to read up a little on UK politics.

And while the original attack on you (which I did see) was offensive and worthy of deletion, it is still discourteous to focus on the spelling rather than the content. Be better.

Believing in greater state intervention, higher taxes and enhanced union rights, for example, doesn’t make anyone more moral than the next person.

I'd agree with you regarding state intervention and higher taxes - that is a political/economic position.

Enhancing union rights on the other hands is very much a moral position. You either believe workers have the right not to be exploited, or you don't.

Angela Rayner uses her working class roots and tragic sob story to connect with the working class yet she is as fake as they come and would throw her own Grandmother under the bus for power and status.
That is just your opinion, nothing more.

She has zero qualifications and has grifted her way to the top with her working class rhetoric of solidarity.
Again, your interpretation. She got no qualifications in terms of schooling, but worked her way up by taking the opportunities that presented themselves. The Tories are all for people pulling themselves by their bootstraps, except it seems when they're not Tories.

She is the pot calling the kettle black and as her neighbour said a "f*ING liar". Exploiting working class people with her vain "look at me, I am so hard done to like you" bs is just despicable. She is worse than any Tory because she is the great pretender, they don't fake it to make it rich and powerful.
Still nothing of substance here, just your opinion. Her neighbour sounds like an unpleasant individual - I wouldn't dream of discussing my neighbours with the press. As for Tories not faking it - did you see the video of 'man of the people wannabe' Rishi Sunak being unable to fuel a car?

At least she has personally experienced poverty, unlike the likes of the twat who called poor people in his own contituency 'shit parents'. Not to mention Iain Duncan Smith with his £30 breakfast!

Oh bless 🤣🤣🤣

The only person who knows if it was deliberate or dishonest is AR.

Also, I don't believe crime works on a sliding scale:
Person A defrauds HMRC of 5k, no crime committed vs Person B defrauds HMRC of 50k, definite crime committed.

If doesn't matter how much you defraud HMRC for, it is still fraud.
If it was okay to defraud HMRC for less than 20k because you could pass it off as an oversight then everyone would be giving it a go 😂

Depends on the rights and the exercise of them, doesn’t it?

"Depends on the rights and the exercise of them, doesn’t it?"

Worker's rights are quite specific and well known.

Only up to a point. Without the union movement we would not have paid leave, sick leave or maternity leave. We would not have rules about having a safe working environment. We would not have a minimum wage. Not having any kind of organisation of labour will always lead to the exploitation of workers by their employers. We're already seeing the post-Brexit erosion of workers' rights with the removal of the right to paid leave for agency workers, which we had while we were in the EU. It should be obvious that unions are still badly needed.

The point was about enhancing union rights, not about understanding existing rights.

My comment wasn’t generally anti-union: combination and protection for it in tort law aren’t bad things in themselves. But any right or legal protection can be abused, by unions, by employers and by people generally in any area.

I wouldn’t advocate for the return of secondary picketing, for example, or open ballots. And I can’t believe Starmer would either.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying you make some good points, but I am concerned about the Tories' recent restrictions on the right to strike - these need to be removed, which would be an enhancement of union rights.

Sure, there’ll always be matters of loosening or tightening union law that can properly be argued. I’m not sure that one side of those is necessarily more moral than the other though.

BTW I do broadly agree with your other comment about the social desirability of organised workforces.

it's because of people like you who are so blinkered to the reality of the kind of power hungry, under educated, liars, greedy politicians are that the UK has totally gone to the dogs. I don't even live in the UK, so my "meds" are a fabulous hike with all of my expat Brit friends up the beautiful mountains of BC.

A bit harsh on the Tory voters @ForPeachWriter, but I agree they've repeatedly elected power hungry, greedy liars and that's why we're in this state.

Hopefully they'll vote for a different party at the next GE.

Can’t stand her and all sounds a bit dodgy but being a Labour MP, she will probably get off Scot free!

@pointythings I remember all those working class areas voting for Brexit. All the areas with high second generation immigrants pulling up the drawbridge. Too bad if they now don’t like what they voted for. The EU helped with workers’ rights but the workers didn’t know it. You don’t know what you’ve lost ‘till it’s gone………..

@Daz57 "Can’t stand her"

Why can't you stand her?

I expect there is a lot more desperate smearing to come from the Tories. They really are the walking dead now:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/conservatives-set-for-worst-election-result-yet-research-shows