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A Warning About Donald Trump

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MsAmerica · 16/01/2024 02:11

I don't know how much people here really care about Trump, but I'm sharing a very good editorial from the New York Times. It doesn't contain anything new, but is just very well done. I'm posting an excerpt, with links if you want to read the whole thing.

A Warning About Donald Trump and 2024
This Election Year Is Unlike Any Other
Editorial Board

As president, he wielded power carelessly and often cruelly and put his ego and his personal needs above the interests of his country. Now, as he campaigns again, his worst impulses remain as strong as ever — encouraging violence and lawlessness, exploiting fear and hate for political gain, undermining the rule of law and the Constitution, applauding dictators — and are escalating as he tries to regain power. He plots retribution, intent on eluding the institutional, legal and bureaucratic restraints that put limits on him in his first term...

Mr. Trump does not offer voters anything resembling a normal option of Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, big government or small. He confronts America with a far more fateful choice: between the continuance of the United States as a nation dedicated to “the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” and a man who has proudly shown open disdain for the law and the protections and ideals of the Constitution...

Mr. Trump’s four years in the White House did lasting damage to the presidency and to the nation. He deepened existing divisions among Americans, leaving the country dangerously polarized; he so demeaned public discourse that many Americans have become inured to lies, insults and personal attacks at the highest levels of leadership. His contempt for the rule of law raised concerns about the long-term stability of American democracy, and his absence of a moral compass threatened to corrode the ideals of national service...

Mr. Trump has made clear his conviction that only “losers” accept legal, institutional or even constitutional constraints. He has promised vengeance against his political opponents, whom he has called “vermin” and threatened with execution. This is particularly disturbing at a time of heightened concern about political violence, with threats increasing against elected officials of both parties.

He has repeatedly demonstrated a deep disdain for the First Amendment and the basic principles of democracy, chief among them the right to freely express peaceful dissent from those in power without fear of retaliation, and he has made no secret of his readiness to expand the powers of the presidency, including the deployment of the military and the Justice Department, to have his way.

For the whole article:

www.nytimes.com/2024/01/06/opinion/trump-2024-campaign-warning.html

dnyuz.com/2024/01/06/this-election-year-is-unlike-any-other/
 

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Lovemybunnies · 16/01/2024 02:15

I care. The thought of him becoming president again frightens me to death.

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Fulshaw · 16/01/2024 07:13

I just woke up to the news about the Iowa caucuses. I can’t believe it.

What happens if becomes president again and then is found guilty in one of his court cases? Will he govern from prison?!

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Fooshufflewickjbannanapants · 16/01/2024 07:16

Fulshaw · 16/01/2024 07:13

I just woke up to the news about the Iowa caucuses. I can’t believe it.

What happens if becomes president again and then is found guilty in one of his court cases? Will he govern from prison?!

It may well make it easier for the white house to go against trump. Very clear black and white as it were. Also many of the court cases are moving VERY fast. As in next few weeks kind of fast.

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Healingfrommothernarc · 16/01/2024 07:17

Lovemybunnies · 16/01/2024 02:15

I care. The thought of him becoming president again frightens me to death.

It's frightening he has got this far again!

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Ohyeahwaitaminute · 16/01/2024 07:24

Just heard this on R4. They were interviewing some of his supporters.
Bat shit. Utterly bat shit… 🤯🤯🤯

It feels like some kind of dystopian fictional story. Except it’s not…

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zoom1982 · 17/01/2024 10:40

A 'warning' from a heavily Democrat biased rag? Imagine my surprise.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 10:44

He's a misogynist, sex offending, criminal bully. I've no idea why some Americans think he's suitable for president.Confused

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Cnon · 01/02/2024 11:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 10:44

He's a misogynist, sex offending, criminal bully. I've no idea why some Americans think he's suitable for president.Confused

Some people liked his 2% inflation and secure U.S.-Mexico Border.

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MsAmerica · 09/02/2024 00:41

You're not alone, @Lovemybunnies. It frightens people all over the world.

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MsAmerica · 09/02/2024 00:43

That's a not-so-funny joke people are making, @Fulshaw. People are making jokes about whether his Secret Service guards will have to live in prison with him.

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HebeSunshine · 09/02/2024 00:44

Lovemybunnies · 16/01/2024 02:15

I care. The thought of him becoming president again frightens me to death.

Not as frightening as having a dementia-ridden war mongering puppet as president.

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fourhundredandsomething · 09/02/2024 00:46

An American recently told me with great confidence that he isn't seriously going to be in the running - lets hope not

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/02/2024 01:17

Cnon · 01/02/2024 11:45

Some people liked his 2% inflation and secure U.S.-Mexico Border.

The US Mexico border is not secure.

Trump doesn't answer questions. He doesn't turn up to debates. He has no way to get the US back to a 2% rate of inflation.

He has no plan. No principles. No morals. And not much to say. Oh and he's a misogynist, sex offender, fraudulent bully with no regard for USA democracy or laws.

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MsAmerica · 15/02/2024 02:07

HebeSunshine · 09/02/2024 00:44

Not as frightening as having a dementia-ridden war mongering puppet as president.

If that's meant to be a reference to Biden - it's Trump who has a family history of dementia, not BIden.

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MsAmerica · 15/02/2024 02:09

zoom1982 · 17/01/2024 10:40

A 'warning' from a heavily Democrat biased rag? Imagine my surprise.

The New York TImes is, of course, one of the most respected newspapers in the world. But do tell us what daily American newspaper you think is better.

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shearwater2 · 15/02/2024 03:25

I also blame the Democrats. Why have they got a doddery, dodgy old gimmer on his last legs as President and running again? A sane country would put forward and elect Kamala Harris. Or anything but have a couple of guys who are far too old running, one of whom is an unrepentant criminal and psychopath, the other who is at least dodgy and doesn't remember what day of the week it is or what he had for breakfast.

What a disgusting state of affairs.

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shearwater2 · 15/02/2024 03:28

Americans are also fucking thick if they don't realise Trump is totally in bed with Putin.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2024 03:32

shearwater2 · 15/02/2024 03:25

I also blame the Democrats. Why have they got a doddery, dodgy old gimmer on his last legs as President and running again? A sane country would put forward and elect Kamala Harris. Or anything but have a couple of guys who are far too old running, one of whom is an unrepentant criminal and psychopath, the other who is at least dodgy and doesn't remember what day of the week it is or what he had for breakfast.

What a disgusting state of affairs.

America could have elected any number of incredibly talented women. But they never do.

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MsAmerica · 16/04/2024 01:28

shearwater2 · 15/02/2024 03:25

I also blame the Democrats. Why have they got a doddery, dodgy old gimmer on his last legs as President and running again? A sane country would put forward and elect Kamala Harris. Or anything but have a couple of guys who are far too old running, one of whom is an unrepentant criminal and psychopath, the other who is at least dodgy and doesn't remember what day of the week it is or what he had for breakfast.

What a disgusting state of affairs.

Actually, Biden has an immense wealth of expertise and experience, and when he was interviewed - by the opposite party - he was said to be sharp and on-point.

And nobody much likes Kamala Harris. Including me.

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LauderSyme · 16/04/2024 01:48

Unfortunately many American voters are racist and sexist, so making Kamala Harris the nominee would likely result in a landslide victory for Trump.

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Iwantmyoldnameback · 16/04/2024 07:50

Just heard a Trump supporter on the radio threatening Civil War if he's found guilty. As they have guns that's very worrying. Sounds like his supporters are as immoral and reckless as he is.

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MsAmerica · 24/04/2024 02:24

LauderSyme · 16/04/2024 01:48

Unfortunately many American voters are racist and sexist, so making Kamala Harris the nominee would likely result in a landslide victory for Trump.

Possibly, but on the other hand, Michelle Obama might do well.

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HappiestSleeping · 24/04/2024 03:01

MsAmerica · 24/04/2024 02:24

Possibly, but on the other hand, Michelle Obama might do well.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Americans will elect a woman. In a way, that's why Trump got in before. There were as many who voted 'not Hilary' as voted for Trump.

Biden has done a lot of good for the USA but doesn't assist to be capitalising on it.

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MsAmerica · 26/04/2024 02:07

HappiestSleeping · 24/04/2024 03:01

Unfortunately, I don't think the Americans will elect a woman. In a way, that's why Trump got in before. There were as many who voted 'not Hilary' as voted for Trump.

Biden has done a lot of good for the USA but doesn't assist to be capitalising on it.

I think I'll disagree with you on that, @HappiestSleeping.

Its not that the U.S. won't elect a woman, even though they're shamefully behind the times. It's that Hillary, for some reason, inspired an astonishing level of irrational hatred. Maybe it's because she was the most feminist of the major women initially, or maybe it was just because she was more or less the highest ranking, with her own excellent credentials. (There was strong negativity against the first woman VP candidate, too, Geraldine Ferraro.)

But I do totally agree that Trump won because of the hatred directed toward Hillary.

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yesmen · 26/04/2024 02:31

LauderSyme · 16/04/2024 01:48

Unfortunately many American voters are racist and sexist, so making Kamala Harris the nominee would likely result in a landslide victory for Trump.

I think it would create a landslide for Trump but not because of her colour.

She is smart, hardworking etc but not a good national politician. She was a terrible candidate last time round - she has to bow out of the campaign as she was running at less than 5% all the time. She just could not bring it up.

also - yes of course many Americans are racist. As in any country a certain% always will be.

But they did elect Barack Obama. Twice.

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