anyone seen starmer?

[Offwiththecircus]

From what I can see, after his entirely unconvincing "position" on gaza he has essentially disappeared from view. Blair notoriously used to do this a lot when he wanted to avoid legitimate questions, leaving brown nosing slaves to face questions from the proles.
So over to the mnet net, which I know has wise tentacles everwhere
Has the famous SIR dropped into your church fete/tombola recently? Selfies welcome.

Politician's private lives are sometimes relevant, e.g. things such as use of prostitutes, allegations of harassment, concealment/denial of children, preferential treatment of partners/friends/relatives.

Re. Starmer's private life - you have absolutely no evidence, not even a rumour, to report there - you're just trying to chuck mud about.

This whole thread comes across as an attempt to distract from Tory corruption and chaos.

This whole thread comes across as an attempt to distract from Tory corruption and chaos

Yep. And there will be loads more right up until 2 May 2024, when we will vote the Tories out.

This country would have gone to war if the Tories had been in power. Their leader at the time said so.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Why on earth is what howard and the tories might have done remotely relevant?

He has to play middle ground because much of the electorate follow the right wing media. (See Brexit, voting in the Tories for most of my life). Labour don't have the media on their side, people are easily led by the endless twisted press. Labour need to be in power to make any decent changes but the media don't want them in. Anything they say that is liberal or left wing is stamped all over by the press. So it's better to keep quite for as long as possible. I hate how right wing labour have to be to be voted in but they have no choice. People are easily indoctrinated.

well at least your post is more nuanced than those from the rabid cheerleaders andthatwas. thanks for that.

can you read?
I thought I made it clear that I care nothing for the details of a politico's private life, whatever their political leanings.
Where on earth have I thrown any "mud" about Starmer's sexual tastes?
I care not.

Have you actually read that piece you linked to Duncin?
Also, have you never ever encountered the political stunt of selectively leaking, but deniably so, a position in order to test the water?
But do reread it.

You are studiously ignoring me asking how you intend to vote from your London leftie liberal enclave.

If I take you at face value as a left winger you must feel politically homeless but there is no party for you to vote for - if you had a left of Starmer Labour politician standing in your constituency , would you vote for them? Is your top priority not getting the Tories out ?

I- maybe naively - have a genuine interest in discussing this with a left winger. Just not sure I have found one on MN yet to discuss it with...

Firstly, you are very aggressive. It is not necessary. It is bad for blood pressure.

Throwing mud about Starmer - you posted Are you confident that you have the inside track on Starmer's private life - you are casting aspersions, here, deliberately IMO.

I think only a fool cares nothing about a politician's private life. In some instances it gives very important information about character. Character does matter.

hell, the blind tribalism of so much of the internet is depressing.
You must live in a very small world if you think my posts are evidence of being a Tory. please reread.
I have said nothing that marks me as a Tory.
I am not a Tory.
I wasn't referring to starmer's visibility/clarity of statements over Christmas, though doubtless the festivities have been more than welcome to him.
The issue goes back way before Christmas.

well I give in on this, if you get a thrill out of imagining Sir Starmer's enthusiasm for whatever, go right ahead and enjoy yourself.
But it will be nothing to do with me.
(or you could reread my posts)

quite right, I do feel rather politically homeless.
(though at least one person on here has decided that I am a Tory.
They really should get out more.)

What a very peculiar thread this is.

It is not about imagining anything, are you quite OK?

I repeat that character matters - e.g. Johnson/Arcuri conflict of interest.

I'll take that as a no response then.

FWIW, I live in a constituency newly claimed for Labour form the most godawful goddess of Torydom. The new MP is completely inoffensive and probably vey much on script but I am delighted to have unseated a Tory.

Maybe you live in a safe Labour constituency and can't see why that, on principle, matters.

It is a safe labour constituency - so safe the incumbents are downright smug.
Last time I saw anyone lowering themselves to do anything remotely like canvassing the mini battle bus rounded a corner and parked on a red no parking at any time line. The minders of the incumbent pretty much pushed me out of the way when I pointed out that this was rather anti social.Clearly thought me non triangulated scum.
One could argue of course that that sort of smugness, taking your traditional vote for granted, helped bring about Boris's red wall. Amazing though that was, it had been a long time coming.
Any chance of Kier going to Burnley any time soon?

I am very very confused as to why you keep calling him La Starmer?

I am too. 'La' is used for females.

I also think that consistently referring to him as 'Sir' as some kind of slur is a clear smear.

Lastly, OP has been looking into Reform - who are considerably to the right of the Tories. I mean, fill your boots if you wish, split the Tory vote - yes please! - but don't pretend to be anything but a right winger.

Maybe move to a marginal. You might see things through a different lens.

Reform?
what on earth are you on about?
First I am told I am a Tory.
then a right wing Tory.
On what evidence?

I have heard lots of labour specific strategy about their policies. They aren't headline screamers, but really solid foundations, was my impression.

Sorry I didn't take detailed notes so can't parrot back specifics, but can recommend back-episodes of Week in Westminster, Westminster Insider & Political Fix. Must have been those podcasts I got my impressions from.

I'm not in Starmer's constituency so didn't expect to see him at the church fete.

Sorry OP, that was another poster and I apologise. But could you please tell me why you keep referring to the Labour leader as La Starmer when this is incorrect, and why you keep mentioning his knighthood?

And I get so bloody tired of people saying Labour have no policies. They don't leak bullshit stuff to their tame newspapers every 5 minutes, only to change or U turn 5 minutes later because it hasn't landed well. Which is what the Tories do.

If you want to know what their plans are, Google is your friend. Or wait until an election has been called and read the manifesto.

Demanding policy by media frenzy is just stupid.

Seriously?

I couldn't read the article you linked to circus as it is behind paywall but yes I have read the one I linked to.

Are you saying that Labour are definitely dropping the pledge because that is what you 'read between the lines'?

How odd.

They have a policy to make self ID easier. So more women with penises in our spaces. Yay