anyone seen starmer?

[Offwiththecircus]

From what I can see, after his entirely unconvincing "position" on gaza he has essentially disappeared from view. Blair notoriously used to do this a lot when he wanted to avoid legitimate questions, leaving brown nosing slaves to face questions from the proles.
So over to the mnet net, which I know has wise tentacles everwhere
Has the famous SIR dropped into your church fete/tombola recently? Selfies welcome.

@Clavinova you have come up trumps again. If only you had posted sooner you could have put the lie to those posters who were saying that Labour had no policies.
Anyway, thank you for your efforts to share those policies with us.

This is like watching the best-ever episode of Tom and Jerry

Keep up the great work.

I have really enjoyed this thread too. It has been really helpful as now we know that:

Starmer is not MIA, he has been busy;
He likes to socialise and so is not "dull";
Labour has set out what it stands for.

One of your more substantial posts on the matter.
Interesting.
Do you or anyone else have any info on what he said at that event?

I remember that descent into the lowest gutter.
Incredible after the gratuitous charges made against Starmer with regard to Saville.
Was he ever asked about that shameful ad and if so what did he say?
To be honest, I remember thinking at the time that I would have massive problems (understatement) voting for anyone who could put out such material.
That episode and the blatant lies put about by his team after his LBC interview on gaza give me very very very severe doubts about him. Plus the public vagueness on so many matters.

It was an ill judged advert, but I would not base my voting decision on that.

I am far more worried about Tory plans to completely crush vulnerable people. Any vote for the Tories in their current guise is an endorsement of those plans.

"Ill judged" is a euphemism of the highest order.
It stank.
Was beneath contempt for any politician.
As of course was the initial slur against Starmer.
Which made it all the more incredible.
It not only stank on moral grounds but was actually an attack on any concept of a decent democracy and democratic debate. A move worthy of Trump.
Fair to assume that Starmer signed it off?
If not what on earth is going on?

Fear not, I won't be voting Tory.
(though did find some of the charges above that I am a Tory illuminating)

was actually an attack on any concept of a decent democracy and democratic debate.

It was ill judged but this kind of hyperbole is ridiculous.

I don't think so.
Once political debate is taking place on such a level you may as well give up.
Political debate may as well take place in a Colosseum.
And just have regular hate weeks.
It puts me in mind of some of the stuff that is considered politics in Italy.
Though I don't think I have come across anything so bad there.

Anyone care to accuse Trump of being "ill judged"?

A move worthy of Trump.

I was thinking more a move worthy of the Conservative party.

Strange how the Labour party is held to much higher morals than the Tories.

I do it myself and then wonder why. I guess the Tories have eroded their morals so much that expectations of them are extemely low.

>>I was thinking more a move worthy of the Conservative party.

er the two slurs were mirror images of each other. Each as bad. That's the point.

>>Strange how the Labour party is held to much higher morals than the Tories.

If the Labour party isn't, surely we may as well give up - toss a coin - and vote for whichever?

Of course some folks say Starmer is virtually a Tory - I have heard this from several folks I come across.

And re constant invites to google up above, the big G will find many polite members of Joe Public in the comments bit of online press articles who think the same and despair of Starmer's Labour Party - so I'm far from alone in my doubts.

was actually an attack on any concept of a decent democracy and democratic debate

Oh come on. You'd think Starmer had illegally prorogued Parliament or something.

And re constant invites to google up above, the big G will find many polite members of Joe Public in the comments bit of online press articles who think the same and despair of Starmer's Labour Party - so I'm far from alone in my doubts

Labour is still going to win the GE, though. I say that as one of the Starmer doubters.

Anyone else remember this? It was part of the 1979 election campaign.

@Blossomtoes there was also the Tory 'demon eyes' campaign against Tony Blair.

I have no doubt that the GE campaign is going to be dirty - but the Tories have more form for this kind of thing, and I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy that holds the left to far higher standards than the right.

Granted this was a long time ago, but in some ways the rhetoric is similar today, just more covert.

Warning: uses the N word.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on

But that only happened because Starmer didn't oppose it enough. Surely you know that?

Christ , that’s dreadful. It’s shocking to think that actually happened.

@Clavinova Its great you pull Labour up on their spending plans.

So how is Sunak going to raise £1bn (at least) for the PO scandal? the £20bn in tax cuts, the talk of a proposed £6bn cut in inheritance tax?

Lets carry this on.. £2.1bn for Ukraine? the billions written off in CV support loans?

Labour has to justify policies that aren't even enacted but no such questions asked of Sunak?

Has he a magic money tree forest?

Don't forget his unexpected spending in Yemen, @jasflowers !

Nobody ever asks the Tories how they're going to pay for anything, whereas it's always the first question for Labour.
I think the Starmer/Savile smear is much worse than the advert because it's more personal and drills down to a specific case. A lot of people believe it without question. The advert is political sloganeering without specific examples.
They're trying to pin the Post Office scandal on him now...

Labour need to be very careful here, i'm disappointed they aren't going back to the original procurement of Horizon, the Tories in 1994, nor blaming Cameron May, Johnson and Sunak?

They seem to be sitting back and taking it, dangerous.

Yes why Labour don't ask where Tory spending pledges are coming from is a mystery to me.

It's not about Labour asking the question..it's the media. With Labour interviews it's constant. Tory... tumbleweed.
I think the PO scandal needs to focus on the Post Office itself and Fujitsu. Davey and Starmer are distractions.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/13/i-talked-to-keir-starmer-for-three-months-this-is-what-i-learned

It will be on ITV
Tonight: Keir Starmer: Up Close will air on ITV1 at 8.30pm on 18 January

Keir Starmer is also on the Laura Kuenssberg show tomorrow.