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Roussette · 23/03/2023 11:36

DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 11:33

The 'everyone did it' is all Janiie has and ever had on all these threads.

Yep. And it doesn't matter how many times posters talk of friends family relations they know who were put through hell with all of this it's always but they had a cake in the staff room.

It's just a version of Boris

L1ttledrummergirl · 23/03/2023 11:45

AdamRyan · 23/03/2023 11:32

Ooh sorry not you blossom I meant Boris' number one fangirl up there

She's actually a very poor number 2 fangirl who denigrated and demeans herself everytime she posts about hospital and teaching staff having pissups in the break room. At least Clav goes to the trouble of posting links to back what they are saying (even if they refuse to engage properly and hear what people are saying), and doesn't just talk shit about things they clearly have no understanding of.
With this poster they seem to have a grasp of truth and reality that is almost as good as Johnsons.

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 11:48

I think even Clav would struggle to post links to all these hospital and school parties.

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Roussette · 23/03/2023 12:24

It has been thus so since Covid started. No idea why. Definitely a beef against teachers and NHS workers. But nothing against the partying civil servants strangely enough.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/03/2023 12:31

Roussette · 23/03/2023 08:50

For everyone that missed it. Here is the exchange about the wording 'kangaroo court' by his supporters.

To cut to the chase, watch from 5minutes onwards.

I think he makes it perfectly clear he is not in front of a kangaroo court but only if he is exonerated.

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1638624188867944461

I think this is the biggest issue and concern about yesterdays proceedings. It's not that he continues to obfuscate and lie and throw everyone else under the bus which of course is a massive issue. It's that he seeks once again to undermine the very underpinnings of how parliament, scrutiny and democracy work, all to save his own skin.

countrygirl99 · 23/03/2023 12:34

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 11:03

I don't think the 'sun shines out of his rear'. What i do think is they were all at work and doing what many others in the workplace were doing, eating etc while having meetings. SD if possible, mitigation like testing etc if not. Yesterday's committee was an absolute circus, long rambling questions with snippy 'answer succinctly! ' demands.

As an aside wtf was that around Harman's neck and how on earth are their findings reliable or relevant when she has even tweeted her opinions on Johnson, how is that not a conflict of interest. Imagine if in a proper court the staff were tweeting 'well he's guilty'. It just would not be allowed.

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So you assume I'm talking abut you - how vain.

Crikeyalmighty · 23/03/2023 12:37

I do find that most people who actually seem to think the sun shines out of Johnson (and the Tory's) backside in general on mumsnet are also of the 'watto, posh chum' scene and are married to such blokes or quite the opposite and think Brexit will be the saviour of their area- (it won't) and foreigners are to blame for everything (ignoring the amount of white, British born feral idiots out there) I was however suprised when I heard 3 very posh 'city type' older gents in a cafe here (70s) discussing politics and they all hated how the Tory's have gone and the fraud, contracts for mates, lack of humanity and general lack of forward thinking- so there is hope. ! Everyone of them said they hoped the Tory's got hammered and couldn't understand why 'Joe public' were taken in by them and believed their nonsense.

Roussette · 23/03/2023 12:38

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/03/2023 12:31

I think this is the biggest issue and concern about yesterdays proceedings. It's not that he continues to obfuscate and lie and throw everyone else under the bus which of course is a massive issue. It's that he seeks once again to undermine the very underpinnings of how parliament, scrutiny and democracy work, all to save his own skin.

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I agree. He was haranguing, imploring and almost ordering the Committe to exonerate him.
And just would not say he disagreed with his colleagues calling it a kangaroo court. He went as far as to say he didn't like the words, but he wouldn't condemn it... because he needs the innocent of everything verdict first.

IClaudine · 23/03/2023 12:39

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 11:15

'My stepdaughter is beyond furious tonight. She wants to know where the morale boost was for her and her colleagues when they were pulling 13 hour shifts with no break.'

She will have had a break at worst still in a ppe gown in a designated 'dirty' staff area. ITU staff had more breaks than usual as all staff from theatres etc were redeployed to critical care so staff were tripping over themselves at times. Staff rooms full of donated food etc.

I do have sympathy for ward staff inundated with patients as they weren't given the same star status, ITU staff really did have what they wanted and were prioritised resources wise. I even heard of a birthday cake in the staffroom, imagine that! A 'party' whilst at work.

Christ, this is just so unpleasant. Stop it.

pointythings · 23/03/2023 12:41

@Janiie I think it's amazing how you know so much and in so much detail about what @Blossomtoes ' DD's experience at work was. Can you please share the technology you were using so that we can all be as omniscient as you?

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 12:41

© Tony Husband

22nd March, the Commons Privileges Comittee investigation into Partygate
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Roussette · 23/03/2023 12:46

OMG Dunc that sums it up doesn't it.

He kept banging on about 'steadying the ship' after two left, and 'he owed it to everyone', and it was 'absolutely essential'.

How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.

I hope this buries his career I really do. And how anyone but the likes of Mogg, Dorries and Gullis can defend him, is honestly honestly beyond me.

LexMitior · 23/03/2023 13:22

He is finished. And with a whimper not a bang.

22 of his colleagues voted with him: it's entirely over.

I agree with Max Hastings- hard to be civil to anyone in his family given the wreck and mess they have made. Except for his mother who was apparently a very kindly person.

I expect him to lurk about in an increasingly ridiculous way like an ageing Borisconi, going balder and uglier - narcissists age very badly. Expect some ridiculous book to support grandiose claims of brilliance in due course.

Lottapianos · 23/03/2023 13:23

'He kept banging on about 'steadying the ship' after two left, and 'he owed it to everyone', and it was 'absolutely essential'.

How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.

I hope this buries his career I really do. And how anyone but the likes of Mogg, Dorries and Gullis can defend him, is honestly honestly beyond me.'

Yes, absolutely essential to have a piss up at every opportunity 🙄 I'm getting bored of talking about what a shameless, lying, good for nothing sack of shit he is. He is just a next level disgrace. I desperately hope that this is the end of him, but not counting any chickens just yet

A good friend of mine is in the Boris cult. She has an excuse for absolutely everything he has done. It's never ever his fault. She's a lifelong Tory voter, but will never vote for them again after 'they all stabbed him in the back' 🤦🏻‍♂️ it's just mind-blowing. I can think of a few politicians who inspire devotion in some people and they all make some sort of sense but THIS GUY???? Seriously???

jgw1 · 23/03/2023 13:24

DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 09:31

If he had any decency he would admit that he misled Parliament and stop this waste of time and resources

And therein lies the problem.
As evidenced yesterday, he is convinced he did nothing wrong. Harriet Harman even gave him another chance to set the record straight.

And we paid for his paltry defence.

We paid for his defence, and that was the best they could come up with. "No on told me that having parties was against the rules that I was responsible for".

Either his lawyer isn't up to all that much, ro there really isn't anything to defend.

jgw1 · 23/03/2023 13:26

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 11:15

'My stepdaughter is beyond furious tonight. She wants to know where the morale boost was for her and her colleagues when they were pulling 13 hour shifts with no break.'

She will have had a break at worst still in a ppe gown in a designated 'dirty' staff area. ITU staff had more breaks than usual as all staff from theatres etc were redeployed to critical care so staff were tripping over themselves at times. Staff rooms full of donated food etc.

I do have sympathy for ward staff inundated with patients as they weren't given the same star status, ITU staff really did have what they wanted and were prioritised resources wise. I even heard of a birthday cake in the staffroom, imagine that! A 'party' whilst at work.

@Janiie Any chance while you are here you could explain why you think it was acceptable for a 56 year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?

LexMitior · 23/03/2023 13:30

@Crikeyalmighty - the reason for that response by City people is that Johnson didn't serve their interests. It is not in the financial interests of the UK or the City to look corrupt explicitly or engage in fraud. People like putting their money and assets here because of the stability and respect of the law.

If that appears unstable then the UK will not get the investment or money from outside. We need to look credible.

The idiots who supported Johnson are people who have never had to be credible to others. Instead, they liked his cowboy style - but money and investors do not like that.

Johnson had a good go at ruining the Tory Party and drove out a lot of people who he decided were not loyal. If you run a political party in England like Stalin then you will make a lot of enemies if you don't deliver.

So the guy is friendless and back with the weirdo contingent, Dorries, Mogg, Patel, Bone, Duncan Smith etc. People who are weird even in the Conservative. The loser crowd

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 13:30

'How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.'

There were at work. Is there any footage of BJ attending a large funeral of 50 people when no one else could, any footage of him visiting people in care homes when no one else could? Or perhaps he was allowed to visit a loved one in hospital? Nope because it didn't happen. They were at work and had all worked with each other for days if not months. As I keep saying staff rooms up and down the country had sarnies on the table.

Context matters. Not to Harmen obviously but most folk can spot the difference between been at work or going to a funeral

AdamRyan · 23/03/2023 13:33

If he is a narcissist then "knowingly misleading parliament" will be something he cannot comprehend. Because lying will be so normalised to him he won't know he's doing it.
And this will all seem very unfair to him as he can't comprehend that others won't behave how he does. In his mind, his,way is the only way so everyone must be doing it.

It's a shit way to judge a crime, whether someone "knew" they were committing it.

I kind of wish he had been in front of a jury as I bet they wouldn't stand for this total hogwash.

I'm also quite interested that none of the political commentators I've read have picked up on the impact to democracy if he doesn't get sanctioned. I've only seen it discussed on here and as far as I'm concerned it's the prime aspect of this. We can't have a situation where a PM lies with impunity, even if they are a narcissist and don't recognise that's what they are doing.

LexMitior · 23/03/2023 13:34

@Janiie - he is a politically friendless weirdo who couldn't argue his point properly - and done in by his own party.

Politics is about competence. Johnson is irresponsible and incompetent. 72 per cent of British people think he lied.

Useless fool - majority that he threw away.

AdamRyan · 23/03/2023 13:36

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 13:30

'How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.'

There were at work. Is there any footage of BJ attending a large funeral of 50 people when no one else could, any footage of him visiting people in care homes when no one else could? Or perhaps he was allowed to visit a loved one in hospital? Nope because it didn't happen. They were at work and had all worked with each other for days if not months. As I keep saying staff rooms up and down the country had sarnies on the table.

Context matters. Not to Harmen obviously but most folk can spot the difference between been at work or going to a funeral

Why is it that you think work "rites of passage" should be prioritised over other human rites of passage? Because that's basically the argument.

Every workplace I'm aware of did leaving dos via Zoom. This idea that somehow a work leaving do is more important than a funeral is absolutely repugnant.

Also I think its illegal as the guidance said face to face events should only happen if not possible remotely and leaving drinks are definitely possible remotely.

Anyway we'll see what the committee decides.

LexMitior · 23/03/2023 13:39

@AdamRyan fairly Johnson must be sanctioned for what he did, but Tanya Gold in Politico and Martin Kettle in the Guardian make related points.

Imagine of course this Boris sized gap in the constitution when Labour get in with a big majority. They will use it - any political party will.

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2023 13:45

Janiie

As I keep saying staff rooms up and down the country had sarnies on the table.

And you know this because?

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jgw1 · 23/03/2023 13:45

Rhondaa · 23/03/2023 13:30

'How fucking dare he. Funerals were on the list of non essential, yet a leaving bash with drinks and food was essential.'

There were at work. Is there any footage of BJ attending a large funeral of 50 people when no one else could, any footage of him visiting people in care homes when no one else could? Or perhaps he was allowed to visit a loved one in hospital? Nope because it didn't happen. They were at work and had all worked with each other for days if not months. As I keep saying staff rooms up and down the country had sarnies on the table.

Context matters. Not to Harmen obviously but most folk can spot the difference between been at work or going to a funeral

@Janiie Any chance you could explain why you think it was acceptable for a 56 year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?

Notonthestairs · 23/03/2023 13:46

"Useless fool - majority that he threw away."

I do find it interesting how this all unravelled. Maybe that majority was the beginning of the end because it fed in to his idea he was unassailable.

Anyway his career as a politician is on the way out - pretending those leaving parties were work & everyone else could have had them (it's your own fault if you weren't getting pissed at work) won't do any good now.

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