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DustyDiamond · 31/01/2020 21:11

Shiny new thread 😍😍

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A non-partisan politics pub-thread for varied political chit-chat & other such stuff

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MarySidney · 02/02/2020 10:31

Morning all.

Back later. For now, I just want to say Go, Boris!!!

EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 10:33

Starkey is definitely Marmite. An intelligent and accomplished man with some, Ahem, ‘interesting’ views that I do not agree with. 😬😂

DustyDiamond · 02/02/2020 11:01

I've asked Sir Static a question!

It's a bit rambly 😳

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EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 11:07

“I've asked Sir Static a question!”

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EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 11:08

Great question Dusty!

SingingLily · 02/02/2020 11:30

I think it's a very good question, Dusty, and looking through the thread, it neatly pulls together the underlying worries of a lot of other erstwhile Labour supporters even though they were using those concerns to frame completely different questions. How he answers you will tell us a great deal about the direction we can expect him to take if elected leader.

I took part in the John McDonnell webchat but he swerved my question about Trident and MN swerved my question about why they'd live-deleted another poster's entirely reasonable post about how she had been driven out of the party by transactivists.

Let's hope Sir Static shows more willingness to engage. That in itself would earn some respect. I don't even mind if he expresses opinions I really don't agree with - I would respect him for his honesty, and that's a start.

AutumnRose1 · 02/02/2020 11:32

Morning all

silly question - why "static" Starmer please?

re Starkey - yes, he did indeed have a go at Phillipa Gregory. For some reason I thought he had a go at Langley as well. Probably because that's his MO.

I actually had a chat with PG shortly after he had a go at her and basically told her to try and forget about it. I didn't mean to be patronising but ....there's a type that should just be ignored.

ommmward · 02/02/2020 11:42

Static because he's basically such an interchangeable suit (in looks, I think, primarily, because I am that shallow) that you don't really register his face as an individual, it's just like grey buzzy static

AutumnRose1 · 02/02/2020 11:47

omm ouch. bit harsh!

DustyDiamond · 02/02/2020 11:50

why "static" Starmer please?

He's identikit, fuzzy, interchangeable, boring, entirely lacking in charisma, more grey than John Major.
And when he talks I just hear white noise.

And it alliterates with Starmer... 😂

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DustyDiamond · 02/02/2020 11:52

#StaticStarmer

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SingingLily · 02/02/2020 11:53

He also has a permanently pained expression. Quentin Letts says he puts him in mind of "a wounded kneecap".

AutumnRose1 · 02/02/2020 11:56

hmm.

I would like a kinder, gentler political commentary myself! Grin

howabout · 02/02/2020 11:58

Open to suggestions Autumn but you would have to pin down his positive USP and even he seems to be having trouble with that.

SingingLily · 02/02/2020 12:05

I'd settle for knowing just two things.

What does he stand for?
and
What won't he stand for?

WeSavedSallySally · 02/02/2020 12:07

Singing your a beautiful writer!

Wonderful excerpts you posted. Great to read.

All the noises coming from the government sound good.

I couldn't help but laugh at #classic Dom,

'' the people's government '' 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

Fabulous. I bet that's a given some the absolute rage 👌👌

WeSavedSallySally · 02/02/2020 12:08

Spot on the, he does look permanently pained but in an different way to corbyn. I think pained but also rabbit in headlights.

EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 12:09

Haha, I love our political commentary. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but by christ, it’s not dry. So many MN threads regarding politics are Dry, and self absorbed. I don’t care that people goad and take the piss out of us, it just makes it all the more worthwhile. Life is nothing without a little humour. And that brings me back nicely to Static Starmer, he is nice enough, but lacking in any substance or personality imo. Historically, that doesn’t work out well for politicians. 😉

ommmward · 02/02/2020 12:12

Dusty's characterisation is less harsh, and probably more accurate! But he definitely is a particular genetic type of Anglo Saxon with a splash of Viking way back when. Not a lot of Celt in evidence in features, imo.

Back to fishing... In the mid 1990s we had over 20000 fishermen (roughly the same for the previous 35 years give or take). Now it's half that. The amount of fish we land has dropped by a similar amount. Need to bear in mind the need to be fishing sustainably now, of course, but it is absolutely crazy that as an island nation we are a net importer of fish.

There's a really helpful commons briefing paper number 2788, from 2017.

Retain our fishing rights, and the fleet can expand again, probably to double its size. That would increase all sorts of related jobs, too - boat builders, coast guards (we'll need a lot of them...), fishmongers, dock workers, people who build docks and related infrastructure.

And no, it's not particularly romantic or intellectually thrilling to be a fisherman (I've known some, and it is brutal, dangerous work and they didn't tell me the half of it). But it's an industry that our urban politicians threw under a bus, and to reinvigorate it will have a big impact on precisely those coastal towns and villages that have been forgotten for far too long. I'm not convinced we should have gone into the Common fisheries policy in the first place (well, that was part of going into the European community, wasn't it? So there we are...)

I don't think it's just symbolic.

Also, it's just the first thing on my mind... We also need to talk about other industries, but I need to get my head round some more commons briefing papers first.

Thank you for tolerating my ramblings!

ommmward · 02/02/2020 12:16

Good discussion about kinder politics and starmer, too. Agree, bitchiness isn't a good look. Also agree that if someone is standing to be leader of HMO, we need to know their values and USP (and lack of it might lead to accusations of grey-man-dom, which I don't think is Dom #5 or whatever we've got up to now).

SilverySurfer · 02/02/2020 12:19

He's identikit, fuzzy, interchangeable, boring, entirely lacking in charisma, more grey than John Major. And when he talks I just hear white noise

Please say what you really think Grin

I'm off to have a read of all your questions.

Parker231 · 02/02/2020 12:21

I hope it is Starmer - I like him - a good speaker and won’t put up with Boris’s messing around at question time.

WeSavedSallySally · 02/02/2020 12:21

Rick stein et al are always bemoaning our island nations lack of fish.

Much healthier for us if we we can finally access cheaper good quality fish.

EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 12:24

“Good discussion about kinder politics and starmer, too. Agree, bitchiness isn't a good look.”

Meh, what’s unique about the ‘Arms’ is that we don’t conform to expectations on how we should ‘look’. As I said, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s ok! 😊 But we are real if nothing else. If that is how people see politicians in the wild, then why pretend they dont? It doesn’t help the politicians in question to soldier on, in the same vein, thinking they are wooing the general public with their Charisma when the truth is far from thus!

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EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 12:33

Also, I don’t see it as bitchiness, I see it as realness. I feel that phrase is anti-woman. It is a loaded term that requires that Women conform to some sort of ‘nice’ code. No one ever tells men to stop being bitchy, for expressing a personal/uncomfortable view point.

Please don’t take that Personally Omm, 😊 It’s just a general perspective of mine to resent being policed by applying a feminine perspective to dialogue.

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