Can Mumsnet save Great Britain?

[gin4me]

Most Mumsnet Mums will by now have figured out that the whole tedious "brexit affair" will be bad news for our families and children as widely reported by a host of experts and gov. reports. The Cons. Government presses ahead, irrespective of damage to the country, and the Lab. opposition is not opposing! No other real issues (nhs, education, social care etc.) matter as money is wasted on bureaucratic wranglings.

However, MUMS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

We have a vote, we have the ear of our teenagers, we (unfortunately have to ) talk to the familly members who voted the other way etc. Please ensure you and your Offspring and relatives register to vote and get them to vote wisely for their future. At low personal cost, the EU provides many rights and benefits from maternity matters, familly rights & benefits, working practices & holiday pay, clean beaches, student exchange schemes etc. On the other side there seem to be huge costs to everybody, more austerity and very few benefits to Mums and their families. Mumsnet Mums can make a difference!

Bore off Vince.

I do agree with you gin but being put in a corral labelled 'Mumsnet Mums' puts me off.

If being patronising were an Olympic sport the British would win gold every 4 years.

Mums can make a difference? You understand that parents are people, right? With a wide variety of opinions and political leanings?
We are not defined by having given birth. Very sexist and insulting.

Are you aiming for some sort of Mumsnet Mums are the backbone of the country type thing here OP? GO TO IT MUMS

Ah you patronising git. Do you not think that we're doing this already?

"Mums can make a difference"

State the obvious eh?

I'm a remainer, but I'm not a mum so I don't have anyone's ear to bend.

Also. What vote? Have I missed something?

Bore off Vince

Sorry it WAS rude but I awoke this morning to my (remain-voting but now admits he'd rather be out of the anti-democratic EU despite the crap that's may happen!) husband asking if I'd heard what Vince Cable thought of me.

Now I've long thought that the Liberal Democrats should be had on two counts under the Trades Description Act but it did grate my cheese a little..

I voted remain. Really wish we were staying in.

But .,.. I feel the remain campaign was dreadful, patronising and relied on calling anyone who questioned them ‘thick racists.’ None of peoples quite genuine concerns were addressed properly. Go stay a bit in Page Hall in Sheffield and talk to people - you’ll understand why they have a different view on Europe to someone like me (also from that neck of the woods but benefitting directly from Europe in where I live and work.)

So I’m gutted we are leaving but firstly I understand why people voted as they did and secondly it was a democratic vote and we don’t get to do reruns until we get the result we want!

They certainly can (make a difference) - and do, and will.

These sorts of threads always seem to get the Brexity types as the first responders, bless em, but time tends to bring another response.

And I'm just laughing at the idea of Remain voters suddenly experiencing a Damascene conversion. Sure. And I'm sure it was because they suddenly realised it's because we're better out of the 'undemocratic' EU, despite the economic hit. Why not throw in a line or two about your husband having had some sort of revelation about George Soros heading an international Jewish conspiracy, run through the EU, or some weird ramblings about globalism, and Russia's right to the Ukraine as well? So often, that is what the husband's in these scenarios suddenly wake up to realise.

Honestly, this recent act of aggression by Russia should be a wake up call that now is not the time to be jeopardising relationships with the EU and NATO. The only person who thinks that is great news is Putin.

Like most voters my DH and I were at neither extreme end of the spectrum in our view of membership of the EU. We just came down either side of a line in the middle.

He now says get on with it. I don't think it's that unusual a viewpoint in the country.

Bless 'em indeed.

I haven't encountered remain voters saying 'get on with it'. They are saying 'what a fucking disaster' mostly.

No.

We all have our own circles.

I voted Remain. I live in the North. If there was another referendum I'd vote the same way again.

But, that's not how democracy works. I do feel cross that the Remain campaign was (IMHO) an utter shambles. That the Leave campaign seems to have had carte blanche to misrepresent the facts & have got away with it. But this is the result that we've got & we need to get on with it.

Ha - I am also thinking it's a disaster... but it doesn't appear to be fixable. How does endless hand wringing help? It's happening.

I like to think it is not happening. I will get a shock when it does.

Endless hand-wringing will just give you RSI. Continuing to demonstrate - and trying to wake up head-in-sand friends, acquaintances, family-members to the total mess (Danny Blanchflower has pointed out it will be an economic disaster on the scale of the 30s Depression) Brexit will unleash - will do something.

Most MPs realise that Brexit is a disaster. They're waiting for a sign that the electorate has shifted. Being that signal helps. It's worth trying to wake up those head-in-sand acquaintances now because, if we let them sleep on - however polite that is - by the time they can't ignore it any more, things may not be irreversible.

Honestly: It's good to be in the EU - things improve with EU membership. It's been the path to a good life, a life where things get better, since we joined. Outside the EU, the UK is small and alone. A potential victim for hostile attack. It leaves us wide open to predatory capitalists, who want to squeeze the workers until we gasp. It really is better in.

Most MPs realise that Brexit is a disaster. They're waiting for a sign that the electorate has shifted

Completely agree with this.

I assume you live in the south were many have benefitted from the EU?

And are you saying we should influence our children to vote our way, rather than urge them to research their votes?

And finally, non of this would have happened if the EU let David Cameron tackle UK immigration but he came back red faced and empty handed, so I blame the EU.

(And remember to hold your nose when forcing yourself for Barnier's sake to speak to any dreadful family members who voted to leave the EU!)

Re Cameron's empty hands: I read a tweet by Andrew Neil that said the German Embassy here had told Merkel we'd stay in.

It was a far bigger motivating moment for me at than any advertising on the side of a bus.