Can Mumsnet save Great Britain?

[gin4me]

Most Mumsnet Mums will by now have figured out that the whole tedious "brexit affair" will be bad news for our families and children as widely reported by a host of experts and gov. reports. The Cons. Government presses ahead, irrespective of damage to the country, and the Lab. opposition is not opposing! No other real issues (nhs, education, social care etc.) matter as money is wasted on bureaucratic wranglings.

However, MUMS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

We have a vote, we have the ear of our teenagers, we (unfortunately have to ) talk to the familly members who voted the other way etc. Please ensure you and your Offspring and relatives register to vote and get them to vote wisely for their future. At low personal cost, the EU provides many rights and benefits from maternity matters, familly rights & benefits, working practices & holiday pay, clean beaches, student exchange schemes etc. On the other side there seem to be huge costs to everybody, more austerity and very few benefits to Mums and their families. Mumsnet Mums can make a difference!

If the EU membership was a huge scam that benefited only the south of England, how come the North, Wales, and N Ireland are going to be absolutely devastated economically post-Brexit?

How can you still be arguing for Brexit when you know that it's going to bring negative economic consequences the like of which haven't been seen since the 30s - admittedly, over the next 15 years, and primarily in the North of England?

I get why people might have voted for Brexit if they didn't know what they were voting for - but to persist in that, when you know it's going to mean people living shorter, hungrier, narrower lives ... I'm baffled, frankly.

It seems immoral to me.

It seems like Leave is an ideology of the well off - "There's more to life than GDP/food/the welfare state" - who can well afford to watch people getting poorer and more desperate.

Nothing like a full stomach, and a lot of money and assets parked off-shore, to grant you the equanimity with which to contemplate the devastation of the life-chances of millions of UK workers.

Is this a LibDem Party Political Broadcast?

Brexit is indeed a disaster. The LibDems, however, are not the solution.

And do bore off with the Mums.

I don't understand why people are being so over dramatic. I was raised outside of the EU. I had a better quality of life, prospects etc. Than most people in Britain. Not being a part of the EU really isn't a big deal. If anything, given the way things are headed within the EU, it seems the be better off not being tied to it in the likely event it suffers major economic failure. Again.

Smaller communities are the way forward. Out of the EU every time for me.

It’s not about not being in the EU.

It’s about leaving it after being in it for decades. It’s a different situation.

Most MPs realise that Brexit is a disaster. They're waiting for a sign that the electorate has shifted

This is so true.

I don't understand people who claim to have voted remain who now believe we just have to 'get on with it'. Why? Why do you jolly well just have to go along with something disastrous? It doesn't make sense. It's not like jolly well being gritty and resilient in the face of the Blitz or whatever. We have a choice. We don't have to walk into this disaster with a stiff upper lip.

If you thought Brexit was wrong in the first place, it still is surely? Wrong things are wrong. Carry on saying it's wrong. Why on earth wouldn't you?

We live in a democracy. Democracies do not solely consist of general elections and referendums. Anyone at any point can communicate with their MP, go on demonstrations, form pressure groups, moan to their neighbour, etc. etc. Is something bad is happening to your country you have to exercise your right to say something and carry on saying something.

Gosh you’re very patronising

I voted out and am glad I did. I've shifted to be even more determined to vote out if there's another vote. Which there won't be.

If you believe Brexit will be a disaster carry on saying it. You have an equal right to do that as a Brexiter, in a free country.

I am not a liberal democrat. There are remainer inclined MPs in all the main parties and they would be very pleased to hear that their electorate are not surrendered voters.

Did you vote to enter the EU op? Oops! Cancel that. Of course you didn't. Nobody did! What makes you think UK can't stand on its own 2 feet outside of the EU dictatorship?

Thecat, clearly you are wrong in saying that Leave is the ideology of the better off. In the main, better educated and wealthier people voted to remain. Those in poorer areas and the less well educated were more likely to want to leave.

I have a varied circle of friends, having been brought up in poverty in the north but now working in a professional, well-paid job in the south. My northern friends and family members generally wanted to leave as they are concerned about uncontrolled immigration taking working class jobs and putting a strain on public services like council housing and school places. My southern friends and colleagues wanted to stay - are concerned about their jobs in multinational companies being lost, the loss of cheap EU migrant labour like their nannies, cleaners and au pairs, not being able to go to their holiday homes as easily and their children not having the choice to study abroad.

They might notice a women strike of either or both paid and unpaid work. It's proved successful in similar situations elsewhere.

How is wittering on ad infinitum about how mean their MILs are (which seems to comprise 90% of active threads) going to solve any
political problems?

The OP is making a huge assumption that most people on here are like her and think like her - any kind of observation of the interactions on here, apart from the dedicated Brexit threads, show that there is huge variation in background, demographics, socioi-economic groupings, critical thinking skills and interest levels. Being a Mum defines you as a mother, nothing else.

Patronising doesn’t begin to describe that opening post.

You are right OP, MN has a massive, international, real time media reach. Most women voted for remain. All british women will and are enduring the awful consequences of 'austerity' and that vote. Already, MN has been a very useful information source about economic, trade, legal and political impact of this 'brexit'. I'm in awe of the knowledge of many of the posters on it, and have found that a lot of men campaigners to remain in the EU don't know as much as we do.

I'm sure that we all, individually are doing as much as we can to stop this mess, but as 52% of the population and the majority of Remain voters in that old opinion poll, we just need to keep pressing on with our work.

Good thread here written by a mum:
twitter.com/Fransfedup/status/1033675518443511809

No way. It needs to be more fairly targeted.
MN is as left as fuck.
How's that right?

Most women voted remain? I've heard some crap on here but seriously you can't believe this? 30% of women didn't even bother to vote!

Fed up with “the people’s will”. What a load of rubbish! Then talk about riots if there is a second vote. What are the leavers afraid of? It can only be that they no longer have confidence in their own previous decision. Surely, this can only be resolved by a swift referendum -if that is possible. Why the deliberation about the questions a) do you want to accept the deal? b) do you want to leave without one?c) do you want to remain? Then let democracy take its course. And I have never and will never vote Liberal.