Genuine question for Tory voters

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Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

Ha ha ha at Labour manifesto being sensibly costed.

Generally I find those who are voting Conservative are grasping at reasons why they should whilst trying not to look selfish. Observationally..

Eh? It's an interesting view esp given so much of the Labour manifesto is appealing to people's individual pockets and Labour have voiciferously attacked proposed Tory policies to redistribute wealth to the less well off (wealthy people contributing more to their care costs, stopping winter fuel payments to wealthy pensioners etc).

My point is, younggirl that conservatives cut money from the public sector in every possible way. Why would you want to support a party that is going to take money away from your child during their school years? Money for much needed resources.

They don't care about state schools because they think anyone of importance (to them) will use an independent school.

My point wasn't that people who vote Tory are usually rich although I can see how if possibly reads that way.

It's more that when people use public services I can't understand why they would vote for them to be cut.

Schools improved under the labour government whatever you think of labour.

Does anyone else remember state schools under the Thatcher/ John Major years? Drafty porter cabins etc

Draughty I meant!

Can I just ask that people view the popular 'how much is your school funding been cut' website so often linked in here with caution. The figures given with the 'this equal 8 teachers less bit simply don't add up. No one is suggesting that schools have taken cuts to funding like all other public services but the figures on this website are bonkers!

*Fewer not less

And haven't not have
Good grief!! Fat finger typing!!

The thing is labour are saying they are going to improve this, that and everything else purely because they want people to vote for them.

Realistically they will not have the means to do it all.

They are just trying to play on people's heart strings.

And for those of you being defensive and saying 'I shouldn't have to explain myself for voting Tory' well no you don't have to. But if you don't clearly know why you're voting for a particular government then perhaps you should work it out!

I'm entitled to be annoyed that people are voting for a government who is destroying our NHS, proposing to cut school funding by £200 per student and proposing to treat my disabled daughter and pensioners like crap. And if they don't even know why then I'm even more annoyed....

Can I just ask that people view the popular 'how much is your school funding been cut' website so often linked in here with caution. The figures given with the 'this equal 8 teachers less bit simply don't add up. No one is suggesting that schools have taken cuts to funding like all other public services but the figures on this website are bonkers!

It's definitely wrong here, we know we are not having our budget cut. It's been confirmed by several sources yet that site says we will lose almost one hundred thousand so it's very wrong for the local area.

but the figures on this website are bonkers

My school has just made teaching staff redundant, are cutting support staff and teaching assistants, and we can't afford textbooks or photocopying. Subjects are being dropped from the curriculum and class sizes are being increased.

I can assure you that however bonkers you think the figures are, cuts to school funding are happening and they will affect the standard of education on offer.

Summerbreeze - the Conservatives cut funding from public services whatever money there is or isn't. It is, and always has been their brand of politics. They pretend to believe in social mobility, which they don't because if they did then they wouldn't have got rid of the children's centres for starters.

I think the last Labour government wasted money. But there must be a middle ground which doesn't involve shitting on the most vulnerable people in society and giving tax breaks to the rich.

Giraffe - as I clearly said in my post, there are cuts to school funding. Absolutely not claiming there aren't BUT they are not accurately reflected on this website, which is often quoted in this site. Schools do need to be very careful with spending and cut down of that there is no doubt.

summerbreeze replace Labour with Tory in your post and it makes a lot more sense.

BUT they are not accurately reflected on this website

So if the cuts are a fact but applied to the wrong school or in the wrong ratio on the website, then how does it make the cuts more acceptable?

'Shit, I thought that my DC's school was going to lose £1 million in funding but it turned out that their school is fine and it's the school down the road that's being shafted instead, so that's ok'?

'So sick of these tory bashing threads, all of this aggression from the left both on here and other social media platforms getting to be very draining and looking ever desperate.'

Maybe you'd feel desperate about the situation if you had a disabled family member. And nobody is actually immune to sickness or disability either.

'The only good thing that may come out of our road crash country currently would be a minority or coalition government'

^^ completely agree

And for those of you being defensive and saying 'I shouldn't have to explain myself for voting Tory' well no you don't have to. But if you don't clearly know why you're voting for a particular government then perhaps you should work it out!

Gosh, is it the referendum all over again where everyone who voted remain knew exactly what they were doing and why, and everyone who voted remain was an ignorant, duped, angry person? Except now it's Labour voters who are the font of all wisdom and Tory voters who don't have a clue.

The premise of this whole thread is that people who are voting Tory haven't thought it through and will suddenly realise the error of their ways once exposed to the truth telling wisdom of the Guardian. Or on the other hand, perhaps they have thought long and hard and come to a different conclusion about what is best.

Just checked for the school where my mum is the headteacher.

That website is claiming that under Tories, they will lose £570 per child/6 teachers.

I know for a fact that isn't true. Same for all the schools in the area.

Giraffe - I was taking it as read that anyone voting for a conservative government is, of course, voting for less spending on public services?! That's what conservative policy is, isn't? Less money from the state and so public sector able offer less. I'm simply pointing out that the website is wrong and IMO misleading.

Hasn't changing my mind.

The website claims that my school isn't losing as much money as it is.

Oops, should have said "and everyone who voted leave was an ignorant, duped, angry person?"

Red - indeed!!
What is never publicized by the folk on the left, is that schools have a MFG (minimum funding guarantee) which protects schools from losing more than 1.5% in any year. Conservative austerity policy and its affect on school budgets aren't a secret so any competent head teacher should have been managing their maximum yearly -1.5% funding loss over the last few years and downscaling accordingly. Austerity hasn't been a bloody secret!!!