AIBU article sneery towards english people.

[Thegruffalowswife]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/12/english-can-stop-sneering-at-scottish-football-now

I don't like being referred to as "the scottish" or "the english" and this is the sort of article that irritates me.

If for example it had been entitled "the pakistanis can stop sneering" there would be outrage.

Video game... you can only base your opinions on the people you have met I suppose, but if I was to say something to associate scottish people with alcohol or drugs (which are stereotypes, but unnaceptable ones) and attempted to place it on all scottish people, just because I might have met more addicts since I moved up (which I probably haven't) that would be an awful thing to do.

This is not to make people upset, but if you read a headline that said.

"The Scots can stop jacking up on heroin now"

What would you think if I justified it?

Germans wouldn't notice. You don't notice until it's aimed at you. Germans are the pals of Sturgeon.

It may not have got as bad as the stasis, but it looks similar to how it started with national socialism and someone to blame for all their troubles.

We won't be staying to see it take its course.

Id read the article first and most likely find it referring to Scotland's drug problems i.e. not all of Scotland/Scottish people but just those who are affected by it, and therefore wasn't stating that all Scots are junkies. How about if a headline said "Good riddance! English man is fed up with ungrateful Scots gorging on our money. ". This seemed to be perfectly acceptable when it was printed in England. And no mention of the word some, this articles really means all of Scotland/Scottish people.

My god that is a shocking one too.

Where was that one printed?

The press should be more responsible. It would be worse some how if they had said "The ungrateful scots" as opposed to "ungrateful scots" but both of them are hideous.

I would have been offended by that one too if I had seen it.

Someone on here posted the most nasty anti English thread that I have ever seen. She managed to get it taken down which annoyed me really as unless you have a spreadsheet you wouldn't know how awful she is.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1386910/Good-riddance-Quentin-Letts-fed-ungrateful-Scots-gorging-money-He-says-independence.html Throughout the indy campaign I read plenty of anti Scottish articles from English newspapers (which funnily enough didnt print them in the Scottish versions). However they may have not all had the vitriolic heading this one had but they certainly matched the contents. And if you bothered to read the comments, they had the effect of making the article appear tame. But do I think everyone in England is racist and anti Scots because of constant inflammatory articles. No because that would be stooooopiiiid.

I don't like the title, but can understand the ranty article about massive over representation to be fair. The pictures in the article are nothing short of hilarious and completely unrelated to the content.

Giggles... forgot about the helicopters

Im not following you with massive over representation? Of what?

Well if mps in scotland had to serve the same number of people in scotland as they do in england we would have about 5 mps.
Plus we have our own parliment too and can vote on our own laws without english people interfering.
To be fair I am quite pleased that we have loads of mps and our own parliment, but you can't blame some english people for finding it a little tiring hearing 59 mps speaking for a population the size of London.

Sorry there is only 5.3mil in scotland 8.6mil in london alone (didn't realise-London has grown a bit-they can't have tv's down there)

but you can't blame some english people for finding it a little tiring hearing 59 mps speaking for a population the size of London. I can if they are being racist/xenophobic towards us. I would suggest rather than moan about the Scots, they campaign for a parliament of their own. Thats one of the nuances I found funny about the Indy ref, the loud section of English people (mostly online) who were vehemently opposed to Scottish independence but incandescent with rage that Scotland had the audacity to send MPs to Westminister/considered Scotland a parasite sucking all the money out of England. Surely these people would support Scottish independence, given that it would immediately address all their issues.

Also I'd love Westminster to declare that number of MPs would be decided solely by population numbers, i.e. Scotland should only have 5 MPs to represent them in Parliament. I wonder why English MPs haven't suggested yet if it's so unfair and Scotland is being over represented? Are they failing their English constituencies by not doing so?

Sorry to harp on but have i done my maths wrong? There are about 5.3 million people in Scotland and 56 mps. There is roughly ten times the amount of people in England and they have roughly 10 time more MPs. Not quite sure where Scotland is being over represented?

That's because Scotland isn't being over represented.

Number of people per constituency, and size of constituency will vary, but on average it's pretty much the same number of people within each constituency.

London doesn't have one MP. It is split into many different constiutencys about 70 odd I believe, more than Scotland.

59 MPs. You forgot the LibDem MP Carmichael, the Labour MP Murray, and the Tory MP Mundell. :)

Yes, indeed i have. Oopsie on my behalf. Wasnt intentional and doesnt really alter the maths though! Why do certain sections of England feel that Scotland is over represented then if the maths proves otherwise?

I'm Scots and Irish - I'd say there's a pretty massive chip

English sports writers and commentators are sneery and chauvinistic.
They can't help themselves. That's why we watch a lot of sports on mute. The English PL teams haven't done very well in Europe recently.
Oh hang on you just wanted to rant about the SNP...

Haha yes my bad, please feel free to harp on when I am talking utter bllsht!!! Please ignore. I suppose the need for the devolved parliment is questionable, but I like it so.. I'm not complaining. Expensive though and I suspect that is why england wouldn't want one. I don't think traditionally English people minded scottish, Welsh and northern irish people voting on English issues. I think that will be changing because of the SNP's often deliberately antagonising ways at Westminster.

Sports commentators are all sneery in my opinion... wherever they are from. I second watching the TV on mute.

Surely these people would support Scottish independence, given that it would immediately address all their issues.

Difficult if you are not allowed to vote on it.

Not really. If they can oppose it vocally why cant they support it vocally. It would make sense. Gets Scotland out of English politics, gets rid of Barnett formula, no more subsidising Scotland (from their point of view). But they would rather berate Scotland for those points, then heap more scorn when given an alternative is proposed. Also I thought England did want its own parliament. Wasnt that what all the hoopla over EVEL was? Just think, if Scotland got independence, then England wouldn't even have to pay for Holyrood.It could use that money for its own parliament Or they could just use Westminster. Do you think the rest of the UK would mind. As a Scottish person living in an independent Scotland, I'd happily lend my support to a devolved English parliament.

Personally, Im of the belief that in general (as in I cant speak for every single English person who doesn't approve of how Scottish MPs vote) they didnt mind Scotland voting in Westminster when in was Scottish branch Labour or Tory MPs and they voted in line with their English counterparts. Its only since the SNP have returned sizeable numbers of MPs who have voted in accordance with their party beliefs has there really been any uproar (and im not even sure the SNP even vote on matters that purely affect only England without any direct or indirect repercussions on Scotland). I wonder why that is.