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AIBU article sneery towards english people.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 16:56

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/12/english-can-stop-sneering-at-scottish-football-now

I don't like being referred to as "the scottish" or "the english" and this is the sort of article that irritates me.

If for example it had been entitled "the pakistanis can stop sneering" there would be outrage.

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pigeondujour · 12/03/2017 17:59

Eh? How would you prefer to be referred to? Saying 'Pakistanis' wouldn't be remotely outrageous.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 20:21

To suggest that they were all a bunch of sneery gits would be though as has been insinuated by this "gentleman".

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 20:23

Referring to a whole nation of people and accusing them of being "sneery" is out of order.

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highinthesky · 12/03/2017 20:25

It feels as if some Scots have a giant chip on their shoulders with the English! Nicola Sturgeon for starters.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 20:50

I agree high in the sky. It is terrible.

She still hasn't done anything about that mp who made anti english remarks the other week. No disciplinary action for calling english people quislings! She is abhorrent.

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TheBogQueen · 12/03/2017 20:55

Is it that Kevin McKenna article? Confused

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TheBogQueen · 12/03/2017 20:58

I wouldn't really worry too much about he writes. He isn't the oracle on all things Scottish.

As fur Nicola Sturgeon - I don't think she's ever come out as a hater of the English. She receives a huge amount of very personal abuse but most of that seems to come from fellow Scots Confused

nethunsreject · 12/03/2017 21:07

Ime there's a lot of anti English sentiment in Scotland. My own family is awful for it. The English (??!!) are to blame for everything that is wrong, anywhere, all the time. It's vile bigotry. I know a number of people like this. I live in rural south of Scotland, fwiw.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 21:53

I know nethun... I'm a bit of both "scinglish" if you like. Full scottish heritage, born and raised in england, moved up here with hubby and kids in mid 2000s It was great when we first came, but it has soured a lot since the start of the first campaign.

It annoys me a lot and the thought of having another referendum is making me feel pretty Ill and is causing me problems with uni and work. It still hasn't settled down from the last one and it was terrible then, God knows what it will be like. We've had to warn the kids, because if it is successful we are putting the house on the market as soon as the votes are counted, shutting down the hubby's business which will be awful and one of my daughters will be right in the middle of her highers. I am worried that if we don't do it then we might lose our UK citizenship. I don't want to be stuck here while it is like this. I don't think the UK will be very much interested in joint citizenship deals after this and the SNP will get to choose who has scottish citizenship from those people born or those living in scotland according to the home office advice. We might not even be able to escape it when we were all born in England.

Quite a few of my scottish relatives are like it too-not all of them though thank god, so I know not everyone is like this.

It embarrassing really, and upsetting tbh. It has made me ashamed of my own heritage, which I used to be very proud of. I can no longer wave the Saltire and be proud. I feel like it has been comanderred by the first Munster for her dastardly plans of self destruction Sad

My family are central belt.

As for Sturgeon and McKenna, I wouldn't bother sending hate mail, but I do hope they both fall in to a puddle up to their necks Vicar of Dibley style. Grin

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JerryFerry · 12/03/2017 21:57

The English are notoriously sneery, not just towards the Scottish. A sort of collective superiority complex.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 21:59

Jenny. It's a shame you feel like that. Have you lived in England for a long time?

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TheBogQueen · 12/03/2017 22:01

I don't see it feel a lot of anti English sentiment

cdtaylornats · 12/03/2017 22:08

Much as I dislike Sturgeon and detest her politics she is a human being, if I saw her being swept out to sea I would still contact the lifeboat. Hell I would say hang the expense and use a first class stamp.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 22:21

Are you English Bog Queen? If not you probably wouldn't have it aimed at you.

You might just have lovely family and friends who don't engage in that sort of thing, which is great!

Jenny says the english are notorious for it...

It is one of the many stereotypes...

Sneery, patronising, greedy, rich, tory, posh, devious and calculating witches and for men... pervy, thick and mysoginistic and racist. I have even heard the word pa##os to discribe english men.

There are often remarks about the Empire and colonisation, which I don't get at all as the Scots were up to their eyeballs in it with the English. Half of Jamaicas slave masters were Scottish and many Scottish institutions were formed on the back of riches made from tobacco, cotton and sugar, the Scottish had access to it as part of the union and made good use of it as far as I am aware (shame as I would like to claim it had nothing to do with me because of my scottish parentage)

It isn't great, but hey ho...

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 22:30

Cdtaylor... pmsl at the 1st class stamp Grin

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highinthesky · 12/03/2017 22:32

Interestingly I think Scotland has a disproportionately high number of world-changing citizens given the tiny population size. A land of smarty-pants to be sure.

justnowords · 12/03/2017 22:39

He doesnt refer to all the English as being sneery gits though does he? In fact he specifically says "Accompanying all of these matches is a thinly veiled sneer by some in the English press, bordering on outright contempt." Not sure what your complaint is? He thinks some English commentators are sneery and he is probably right. I imagine that there are sneery people in all walks of like, from all nations etc. but he's specifically discussing English commentators of Scottish football.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 22:42

Now now high... only some of us are smartpantsish actually (me, me, me can I be one of the smarty pants ones please!)

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 22:45

Just, the headline of the article is

"The English can stop sneering at Scottish football now"

Not

"Certain English football commentators can stop sneering at Scottish football now"

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VideoGame · 12/03/2017 22:49

Taken things a bit personally there perhaps?

I'm Irish/English and some English people ARE sneery and unfriendly. It's not everyone but compared to other cultures, it is noticable.

yellowpoppy17 · 12/03/2017 22:50

Given your upset at the way the English are perceived you have make some outrageously sweeping generalisations about the Scots. You seem quite vitriolic and maybe should calm down and have a nice cup if tea.

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Thegruffalowswife · 12/03/2017 22:53

What generalisations have I made?

I doubt it as I would be making them about myself so they'd better be good.

I have found an equal number of sneery gits both north and south of the border.

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justnowords · 12/03/2017 22:55

Well in case you didnt know or werent aware, newspaper headlines are there for no other reason than to lure people in to read the article, have to be short, snappy, usually controversial and more often than not, bear little resemblance to the actual article. In fact, some of the time they are not even worded by the author of the article but by an editor of sorts to draw the crowds, especially online. Otherwise known as click bait that most intelligent people dont rise to, or at least read the article first before getting offended. Honestly, did you read that heading and think that the writer specifically had you in mind? Why?

AgentCooper · 12/03/2017 23:02

God, MN got ugly before the referendum. There was a poster who kept saying living in Scotland as a non-Scot under the SNP was like living with the Stasi. Not being funny, but I work with a few folk who lived in East Germany when things were pretty bad and I don't think they see the similarities! I voted no, but the amount of nasty stuff said about the Scots was hurtful.

Kevin McKenna is a bit of a douche OP, don't take any notice of him. But as others have said, he's talking about football commentators, not 'the English' despite the clickbait headline.