Trump (Part 5)

[claig]

Continuation of the discussion on all things Trump and the people's revolutions

Trump is the elites' man.

By the way Clinton's lead is now over 2.8 million. "The people" really don't want Trump.

This kind of anti-science bullshit isn't just bullshit, it's bullshit that kills.

www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/one-map-sums-damage-caused-anti-vaccination-movement/

www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/

"politically incorrect is holding a position you are "not allowed" to hold"

You mean like holding liberal values?

Oh, I do wish I could have some examples of "political correctness".

Liberal values preach tolerance. Something most liberals are not

Claig - I know that Branson is very anti-Trump. My point is Branson remains popular with the British public because he has a good public persona, and deliberately so. Not a bad thing, it's a useful tool.

This kind of anti-science bullshit isn't just bullshit, it's bullshit that kills.

Yes.

I just hope Trump doesn't go the way of the former South African President who decided AIDS wasn't caused by a virus. Responsible for 300 000 deaths.
It's what anti-science bullshit does.

"This is exactly it. Intolerance of another view, and that is why political correctness came about - to promote one particular ideology without serious challenge"

This is exactly not it. What the anti-PC brigade call political correctness is, by and large, an attempt to use language in such a way as to be inclusive and respectful to people regardless of whether they happen to be part of the privileged majority. It's basically manners, like your mum might have taught you.

Liberal values preach tolerance. Something most liberals are not

Liberal values are not about tolerance of sexism, racism or any ism.

We all want some figgy pudding
we all want some figgy pudding
we all want some figgy pudding
so give us some now!

(if you don't have any then some genuine examples of "political correctness gorn mad" that aren't a figment of Misswatch's imagination would suffice).

Yet you throw these isms around as a silencing tactic

"Liberal values preach tolerance. Something most liberals are not"

So what do you think liberals are, if not people who hold liberal values?

Notwithstanding above comments, dont any of you feel that there is something going on with vaccines, the most recent being HPV? Some young girls have suffered life-changing side effects and have dropped out of studies. Either there is not enough R&D on the new vaccines and they are pushed to market too soon, or there are inconsistencies with some batches of vaccine.

silencing tactic

Bingo.

'"Who is popular with the Donald and who isn't. Who's in, who's out, choosing who he can bully, that kinda thing.'"

Yes definitely because Trump needs people he can trust, not backstabbers. But Trump is incredible because he is a pragmatist and he can forgive attacks and slights just as easily as bullying the people who did it. If Trump thinks he can use someone then he will ignore ther slights, just as he ignored Rick Perry's or Mutt Romney's (who he used to humiliate and control) or Nikki Haley, but when Kelly Ayotte reportedly asked for a job in his Adinistration, he said no to her. So he chooses whether to ignore slights or not based on pure pragmatism, but also he looks for trust.

Trump will bully the Chinese over Taiwan etc, but in the end he will do a pragmatic deal that is to his and US advantage. It is not personal, it is business.

But some top people are hesistant to play the elite's Russian hacking game because they know that Trump may not play nice to them if he wins.

No one knows how ruthless Trump will be, but the elites know he will be if he wants to be.

'Notwithstanding above comments, dont any of you feel that there is something going on with vaccines'

Southall, there is no point because they all believe the mainstream media. De Niro doesn't but he had to back down. Trump probably won't.

And squishy your name is offensive. It implies we should squish worms that squirm. What? You don't care about worm's rights? How dare you

I have good intuition, esp. when a story does not make sense.

Sorry, that can't be true, otherwise you'd have spotted that Trump's story (or multiplicity of stories, to be more accurate) doesn't make sense. You would also have the intution to recognise a liar.

Ah, I think I've got the idea now about the not-coddling thing. Was this the sort of thing you had in mind?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/dec/15/russian-reality-tv-show-allow-rape-murder-game2-winter?CMP=othb-aplnewss_d-2

That is a fair point, on top

We have always, to some extent, self-censored our own language to avoid offending others, or to avoid other's forming a negative opinion of us. That's not the same as being oppressed.
eg, I would never say "Trump's a fucking cunt" in front of my elderly grandmother, even though I love swearing, because it would upset her. She's not suppressing my right to free speech though.

Either there is not enough R&D on the new vaccines and they are pushed to market too soon, or there are inconsistencies with some batches of vaccine.

It's possible. Something to be looked at and I am certainly for regulations.
Having said that, clinical trials cannot possibly predict for all individual reactions to vaccines, which is what the (actual) very few cases of bad reactions seem to have been. Millions of vaccines have been distributed and administered. Very few girls had bad reactions.
Hopefully we are moving towards personal medicine, where we'll be able to predict reactions to drugs and vaccines, as well as disease risk.
At the moment, health authorities have to balance the risk of adverse effects vs the lives saved by the vaccines. It's the same with any medication, with the difference that with vaccines we are giving them to seemingly healthy people.

Vaccines, along with hygiene and antibiotics have been responsible for the most important advances in health. In particular for the decrease in childhood mortality rate. It's a huge risk to put vaccine coverage in danger.

But this is really not the place to discuss vaccines.

Come now kaija you read that in the guardian. Everyone knows the guardian isn't to be trusted and lies all the time

Well what examples did you have in mind Misss?

"Everyone knows the guardian isn't to be trusted and lies all the time"

Oh really, what have they lied about?