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Trump (Part 4)

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claig · 04/12/2016 19:37

Continuing discussion of the Trumpquake and populist rebellions

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claig · 06/12/2016 10:59

'I'll take Trump over Clinton any day (there are some really interesting Youtube videos about her).'

Absolutely. Depending on how far Trump wants to go, how far he wants to take the "revolution", the entire truth about the Clintons and the Bushes could all come out and take down servants across the world wiith them.

It all depends how far Trump wants to go. He may give them all a break, or he may give the elites hell, we will have to wait and see.

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claig · 06/12/2016 11:12

"Italy referendum: Is the EU going to fall apart before Britain gets a chance to leave it?

Rejection of constitutional reform was latest in string of electoral tests to send shockwaves through Brussels' foundations"

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-referendum-explained-eu-stability-brexit-uk-will-there-still-be-a-union-to-leave-a7456231.html

"Italy's referendum has started the clock ticking on the collapse of Europe"

www.cityam.com/255025/italys-referendum-has-started-clock-ticking-collapse-europe

It is all going to collapse and all our political class who worked against the will of the people will be discredited for decades to come after it collapses.

They will beg Trump to save them, elites will beg him to help save the EU, they will beg for meeting at Trump Tower, but Trump will only grant visits to Nigel Farage, the man they all hate.

Trump won't save the elites, he won't save the EU because Trump is laughing, he wants it all to end. He wants the people to be listened to once again and not one of teh elites, or even teh whole shower of them together, are a match for Trump and America.

We have become used to our elites and intelligentsia knocking America, but what has become clear is that there is only one country in the world that can protect our freedoms and our free speech from political classes that wanted to restrict free speech and hand our sovereignty over to unelected foreign bureaucrats, mates of global banks.

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BertrandRussell · 06/12/2016 11:17
claig · 06/12/2016 11:18

The BBC and our intellectuals and luvvies all knock Trump and the American people who put him in, they think we the people agree with them, but we don't. Trump will save our sovereignty and our free speech and restore common sense for all of us after the useless elites who lorded it over us fall out of favour with Trump and America.

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claig · 06/12/2016 11:23

'The BBC and our intellectuals and luvvies all knock Trump and the American people'

The same people who knock Brexiters. Sir Bob, izzard, Blair, the usual crew - although those three are clearly not intellectuals.

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claig · 06/12/2016 11:31

"Matteo Renzi: Italy's Tony Blair?

Youth unemployment has gone past 40 percent in Italy. Families have been raiding their savings and are near despair. Italians might well like a man with a plan"

www.thecommentator.com/article/4624/matteo_renzi_italy_s_tony_blair

The Italian Blair, gone, finished. And all the other servants across Europe, all the other Blairs, will soon be gone too as the people topple all the servants of the elites and restore democracy, sovereignty, free speech and common sense.

And what frightens all the servants is that they have no one to help save them, because in America Trump is in charge, and all the servants and puppets insulted Trump and called him "unfit".

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Alyosha · 06/12/2016 11:48

The anti-claig on Trump:

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/trump-taiwan-call-china/509600/

Chinese commentator predicts Trump will lead to international decline of USA.

Truth somewhere in the middle I believe.

claig · 06/12/2016 11:57

'Chinese commentator predicts Trump will lead to international decline of USA.'

No chance. China is a dictatorship, Chine will one day be democratic, because that is the whole battle of history, the people vs the elites, common sense and freedom vs Blair. In the end, the people will win just as we have slowly won the rights we now enjoy. The elites will fight to take our rights and our sovereignty and our freedoms from us, but in the end they will fail.

That is why America will not decline and why the Chinese dictatorship will, because there are not enough Blairs or "Punishment Budgets" to keep the Chinese people or the people of the whole world down forever.

Just like the young people interviewed in Cuba after Castro's death, who said they hoped they would now gain free speech and the right to travel abroad and see the whole world before they die, all people on earth want to be free. We may be poor, Blair may have houses and Floundations and meet with dictators across the world, he may have speeches written for him by teenage whizzkids, but we can put up with all the crap if we have the free speech to take the piss out of the servant of the elites.

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Alyosha · 06/12/2016 12:09

Yes China is a dictatorship and is bad, with a capital B. chinese commentator points out that Trump doesn't care about human rights in China and will only care about getting a good deal.

Commentator thinks that abandonment of TTIP will help China (China hated TTIP) as will Trump's desire to pull out of foreign policy (he's looking forward to America's ships leaving the South China Sea & Japan).

BertrandRussell · 06/12/2016 12:14
claig · 06/12/2016 12:56

Just like the BBC and our media, most of US media is against Trump, for the same reason, he threatens their bosses, the elites.

The article by the Chinese person in The Atlantic is nonsense, it s the old thinking, it is the Ancien Regime, it is out of touch Oxbridgese, it is Blair type thinking, if we can all what Blair does "thinking", out of his newly funded outfit called The Tony Blair Destitute, I think.

Trump is a "new broom", "he is a bull in a china shop", he is the elite's worst nightmare, he is why Tony Blair and his bespotted bunch of teenage whizzkid advisers and speechwriters from Oxbridge, now say they "no longer understand what is going on in the world".

Trump will dismantle the EU in less than 2 years, I think, and after that and alongside that he will dismantle the Chinese dictatorship in less than 8 years and he has started by sending them a signal over Taiwan.

Trump said "this is a global movement" and he is Mr Brexit, he will bust up the EU and then China and he won't have to go to war to do it. It is a people's common sense revolution and Blair is powerless to stop it and his band of teenage whizzkids are out of their depth.

The Chinese analyst says

"China has been hurt by Trump, but the Chinese government wants to protect Trump by saying no, he did not place the call, he is just inexperienced, so why do we care?

Friedman: Why do you think the Chinese government wants to protect Trump?

Shen: Because what can you do? Can you really cut off the official relationship with the U.S.? No, you cannot. You [may] hurt yourself more than America. So the Chinese government does not want to hurt China by hurting Trump. But I don’t care. I’m not the government."

There is nothing the Chinese can do. They are scared of Trump, just like the EU, the elites and their servant, Blair, all are. What can they do? Spin no longer works in the "post-spin world" of the global people's revolution.

"Friedman: In the days after the U.S. election, you cheered Trump’s victory. People might be surprised to hear that, since Trump bashed China during the campaign and talked about imposing a 45-percent tariff on Chinese imports, which could risk a trade war. What made you say that at the time?

Shen: Trump does not care about human rights; he traded with China [as a businessman]. "

Absolutely. Trump is not Blair, he doesn't have speeches written for him by teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge about that, he is a pragmatist, a billionaire, a businessman. He doesn't want "humanitarian wars" that Blair carried out because the elites wanted regime change. Trump said the world would have been a much safer place with Gadaffi and Saddam still in power. He is not Blair, he is not a servant.

"Shen: A trade war is not conceivable. China exports $440 billion [worth] of goods to America. If the U.S. imposed a 45-percent tariff then China couldn’t export that much, so lots of Chinese would lose their jobs. But China would retaliate against America. Hundreds of thousands of Americans would lose their jobs as well."

No they wouldn't because America has a $500 billion annual trade deficit with China. If China doesn't play ball with Trump, he will call their bluff and millions of people will lose their jobs in China and the Chinese government will be overthrown and China will become democratic overnight, while US companies are forced to return to the US and provide jobs for Americans and all of America's allies will be expected to side with America and not China. If Putin becomes mates with Trump, then Putin may not help the Chinese dicatorship either and it will all be over, just like the EU will be, and all the servants of the elites will have lost as democracy is restored to Europe and China.

'Shen: No. The U.S. will [experience] further decline. The Republican President George W. Bush mistakenly sent troops to Iraq. That made the U.S. decline. And Trump’s quitting of TPP will make the U.S. decline. Trump’s promise to quit the climate-change agreement will make the U.S. decline. When Trump campaigned, he said, “I want to make the U.S. great again.” But actually, he [seems to] want to make the U.S. decline more.'

This sounds like the twaddle in a Tony Blair speech penned for the nincompoop by a teenage whizzkid on a binge drinking spree at the Freshers' Ball.

Trump is taking back US sovereignty all over, he told the globalists who built up China by offshoring US jobs and removing US sovereignty over trade which led to the loss of millions of US jobs and a spiralling deficit that is nearly impossible to repay, that their game is over

"Americanism not globalism will be our credo"

he told them all, and Davos panicked, the Financial Times had palpitations, the puppets were told to call him "unfit", the EU said he has reckless and Tony Blair no longer understood what was happening in politics.

"America is back"

Trump cried on the campaign trail to jubilant Trump fans and all the puppets and servants across the world better get used to it.

Trump will take down the EU and China after that and he won't need to go to war, like a Bush or a Blair, because the elites don't tell Trump what to do, he tells them.

The days of the Tony Blair Muppet Show are over.

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BertrandRussell · 06/12/2016 13:00

Time for all those words. But none on Trump and reproductive rights..........

claig · 06/12/2016 13:05

'Time for all those words. But none on Trump and reproductive rights..........'

Bertrand Brussels, it has all been covered in some of the previous 20 Trump threads, links to articles, explanations, links to videos, discussion of evangelical support against Lyin' Ted who was wooing them etc etc

Huge subject, RTFTs, and learn what it is all about. We have already covered it, the election is now over and we are discussing the populist revolutions that will now sweep the EU elites (and their servants and bag carriers) out of power, the return of the servant Blair, as well as Trump's Cabinet picks and things that are happening now.

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Alyosha · 06/12/2016 13:05

Claig, Chinese students & tourists are worth a lot to the US.

A trade war may hurt China more than it hurts the US but you can be sure it will hurt the USA an awful lot.

It will also hurt the US working classes, as everything they buy will be 45% more expensive, but their wages will continue to stagnate.

China is cock-a-hoop that TTIP is being cancelled, they only saw it as positive for the US and negative for them. Trump has done them a massive favour.

Alyosha · 06/12/2016 13:06

Of course all this is academic because Trump has 0 impulse control and will threaten to obliterate China through Nuclear war on twitter, provoking a global thermonuclear exchange.

claig · 06/12/2016 13:20

It won't hurt US workers because Trump is slashing coproration tax for US companies to a lower level than what the globalists have got China to offer and Trump has told American companies that there will be "consequences" if they think they can take jobs out of America.

When Blair heard the word "consequences" he realised that he no longer understood what was happening in politics and thought about throwing the towel in, but the elites phoned him up and begged him to get "involved" again, as they feared that the next "consequences" would be against them.

American companies wil relocate to America if there are 45% trade tarrifs and China will lose out in any trade war, which America will expect its allies to help it with also.

'China is cock-a-hoop that TTIP is being cancelled, they only saw it as positive for the US and negative for them'

Only because they had been listening to Blair, the Ancien Regime, an the elites who were for globalisation and removing US sovereignty over trade and playing their usual game of "divide and rule", to harm US interests as well as trying to isolate China. Trump is not playing that game and Tony Blair "no longer understands what is happening n politics".

Trump's game is "America First" and elites across the world are in panic mode and all ther servants and teams are n TV slagging Trump off, but it won't save them because Trump will end the EU, sort China out and put "America First" and with that we will get free speech restored and our sovereignty back. Blair is not happy, and that is a good thing.

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Pallisers · 06/12/2016 13:20

Bertrand, Claig did engage with me on the abortion issue on the last thread. She told me the people had voted so that's that with regard to reproductive rights - suck it up seemed to be the response to the impoverished teenagers in places like rural texas who will be the ones to suffer if Roe v Wade is overturned ("the elites" will always have access to abortion). I found her attitude (and that of her idol) heartless and cruel so I left the thread.

Claig does nothing other that repeat and repeat. It is not engaged conversation. At least with Trump you don't know what he will say from one moment to the next. With Craig it is depressingly predictable.

This is a good article by a conservative republican on Trump and the constitution.

www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/trumps-threat-to-the-constitution.html

Ontopofthesunset · 06/12/2016 13:32

The only reason to post on this thread is in order not to allow post after post of mind-rotting wannabe brainwashing from Claig - to give some balance to the historical source.

As we know, the resort of those who have nothing to say but do have a powerful desire to win is to repeat attractive-sounding empty phrases over and over in the hope that in a hypnotic way our last brain cells will be ground down. But no! It is a democratic revolution of the brain cells. The brain cells will not be defeated. They have spoken. Trump and his swamp monsters will be terrified when they realise they cannot fight the brain cells.

etc etc etc

claig · 06/12/2016 13:36

"After Italian Prime Minister Renzi’s defeat, this Trump fan could throw Europe into crisis
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On his website, Grillo argued that new elections should take place as soon as possible. “The regime's propaganda and all of its lies are the first losers in this referendum,” Grillo wrote. “Times have changed. The sovereignty belongs to the people again — and now we will really start to apply our constitution.”
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In Trump, Grillo appears to have finally found an appropriate leader with whom to be compared. Both became famous on television. They feel neglected by the media and by the political establishment. And both are considered similarly damaging in Brussels, Berlin and Paris."

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/12/04/trying-to-imitate-trumps-victory-italys-beppe-grillo-could-help-to-throw-europe-into-crisis/?utm_term=.7c6c995f2f80

It is obvious that the Establishment are going to lose and the populists are going to win, because Trump is on the side of the populists.

Our entire continent and the whole world is in for huge change for the better.

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SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 13:39

Bertrand I've watched the vid on Abortion. I see nothing ghastly about what Trump said. During his campaign he said he's against late trimester (6 months plus) termination for no medical reason. So am I, so are many other people. What's this hurry to annihilate the most defenceless?

Afterall, the death of an unborn in utero in different circumstances is a crime.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb"

claig · 06/12/2016 13:41

UKIP started it, Brexit followed, then Trump and next the end of the entire EU as the populist rebellion spreads to nearly every country in Europe.

"Donald Trump predicts breakup of EU"

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/27/donald-trump-predicts-breakup-of-eu

That is why Blair has been recalled and Sir Bob is bashing the pavements and the people. Times are that desperate. They are losing.

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Kaija · 06/12/2016 13:47

" As we know, the resort of those who have nothing to say but do have a powerful desire to win is to repeat attractive-sounding empty phrases over and over in the hope that in a hypnotic way our last brain cells will be ground down. But no! It is a democratic revolution of the brain cells. The brain cells will not be defeated. They have spoken. Trump and his swamp monsters will be terrified when they realise they cannot fight the brain cells."

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SouthallGirl · 06/12/2016 13:49

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Mahatma Gandhi

Alyosha · 06/12/2016 13:53

There's no way that US companies can match Chinese companies when it comes to the price of their products.

Products will be 45% more expensive, and there won't be more jobs because 85% of manufacturing job loss has been due to automation, not offshoring.

So even if every factory came back from China they wouldn't hire the same no. of US employees, they would automate.

claig · 06/12/2016 13:54

First they ignore you ... then you are Trump's mate, at Trump Tower, and you have won.

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