Trump (Part 4)

[claig]

Continuing discussion of the Trumpquake and populist rebellions

Lweji: Probably be more deaths and medical complications from women accessing back street abortionists or DIYing it too.

'Why?'

Because Trump is not going to let some Establishment type oppose the policies that he wants to carry out to "make America great again".

'I thought they were already "for the people"'

Yes, the head of Dow Chemicals certainly is, but some of teh servants in the political class were servants of the elites and not the people, but now that is all over.

'So, are they "for the people" or will they be forced to be by Trump?'

Trump is for the people and they are serving under Trump, so they will have to be for the people because Trump has defeated and humiliated the elite. That is why Trump met Farage at Trump Tower and Cameron hasn't been asked to meet Trump.

'And why not choose people from worker's unions, for example? '

Because as Trump said, the union offical at Carrier did nothing to save the people's jobs at Carrier. Trump wants top business people who know how to make billions of dollars and know how to create business and jobs, not some union officials who sat back and voted for the Clintons while they served the elites by offshoring the people's jobs.

'People who have been working for NGOs?'
Soros NGOs? It's all over. You'll say what about people working for charidees next? This is not New Labour, this is Trump. The game's up.

Sadly I think the game for functioning democracy is up. I'm reading The Assault on Reason and what was beginning to happen then has been fulfilled now.

You'll be saying why doesn't Trump choose people working for the Orifice of Tony Blair and the No Faith Foundation next?

Because this is Trump, not New Labour. Trump won. There will be business billionaires now creating jobs, not Oxbridge graduates creating spin and new hand gestures.

The elite again then claig.

"According to C. Wright Mills, among the best known power-elite theorists, the governing elite in the United States draws its members from three areas: (1) the highest political leaders including the president and a handful of key cabinet members and close advisers; (2) major corporate owners and directors; and (3) high-ranking military officers"

That makes Trump and his team all elites then... sometimes your words mean nothing claig!

So competency is now determined by inherited wealth, and university education is a bad thing. All beginning to sound a bit elitist Claig!

C. Wright Mills is wrong

Claig, you're still contradicting yourself.

You say he's chosen people who are for the people, and who have to be forced to be for the people.
How was the fast food tycoon forced to be a puppet of any elites before?

The Carrier union guy has done well for his people. Trump had forgotten about Carrier, even, by his own words.
And Trump didn't achieve the big win he advertised. He had to pay Carrier to keep fewer jobs than he claimed, instead of scaring them out of going out of the country. Plus, they will invest more in automation.
I really wouldn't use that story as a Trump card.

And there's plenty of worthwhile NGOs. You can criticise some, but I'm sure there are great people even in those.
Certainly better than millionaires who've only cared about profit so far.

C. Wright Mills is wrong

Erm...
Why?
That would be nice to know.

'So competency is now determined by inherited wealth, and university education is a bad thing.'

No, what it is all about is independence, just like the UK Independence Party. Trump is independent of the elites, they don't control him, he is not their puppet which is of course why they are so frightened of him. The teams who work for the elites and who are hired by them are not independent.

'the governing elite in the United States draws its members from three areas: (1) the highest political leaders including the president and a handful of key cabinet members '

Because that is not true, for example Clinton, or in the UK Tony Blair etc.

Trump wants to completely ban abortion, with exceptions only for rape, incest, or when the life of the woman is in danger. He's backed this up by showing support for a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy

Yes, he said during his campaign that he was against 2nd and 3rd trimester terminations if the above reasons were not in place or there is no medical reason for a later termination. He considers it inhumane to stop the life of a 5 month foetus.

To see the products of conception, even before 20 weeks, is heartbreaking. The brain and heart are already in place.

I don't think he or Pence will be allowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act or shut down Planned Parenthood. As regards avoiding pregnancy, condoms are very cheap in USA. In my own case I used them during just those 'possible' times in a woman's cycle, until I wanted to become pregnant. The Pill did not suit me.

Women seem to be sleepwalking during their fertile years into unwanted pregnancy, and I'm stating that a bit of care and consciousness in your love life is necessary. I told my daughters that it is THEIR responsibility for their own fertility. It is the woman afterall who carries the child, so forget this 50/50 stuff and get smart. It's all very well saying that it takes two to make a baby - sure, but while you're thinking of what to do with your unwanted pregnancy, Mr Wonderful has already decided and he's off, leaving the young woman with this so-called 50/50 responsibility.

If a big business wants a huge tax break, they just have to threaten to relocate and then Trump will hand them one (even if they still relocate some of the jobs anyway). Can't you see any unwanted consequences of that Claig?

Claig is very much for the elites.

'You say he's chosen people who are for the people, and who have to be forced to be for the people.
How was the fast food tycoon forced to be a puppet of any elites before?'

He wasn't, but what has happened is that power has changed. Cameron and the teams are gone, Clinton and the teams are gone and we have a new different power and sonn to be Trup. That means that business elites no longer ave to follow the teams' spin and hand gestures in order to win favour, now they can tell the truth, but they will have to follow the new power, the people's Presdient, Donald Trump.

Trump has defeated the spinners and liberated the productive business elites who will now be allowed to create jobs and make business flourish. The teams have been defeated.

Trump is certainly not the people's president by any measure. Elites' president would be a much better description.

C. Wright Mills is wrong

Says who??

'Can't you see any unwanted consequences of that Claig?'

Do you mean more jobs for the people? I am for business and jobs, not the teams' spin and lies, "divide and rule" and offshoring of jobs to deindustrialise and impoverish the people with austerity etc. I am for Trump and not for the teams.

Making first trimester terminations more difficult to access increases the rate of later abortions, South.
Condoms break and contraceptives fail. Using condoms "during just those possible times in a woman's cycle" is also a really irresponsible attitude to contraception - It is not reliable at all. I hope that method is not included in those lessons you're teaching your daughters.

"I don't think he or Pence will be allowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act or shut down Planned Parenthood." Well hopefully not, but only because of objections to their plans. Not by sticking your head in the sand.

Here is the head of Dow Chemicals at Trump's rally last night. These are the great people that Trump is appointing, these are the people we want, not these useless servants of elites who stuff our political class and call Trump "unfit" and try to ban him from entering the UK.

Trump has defeated the teams, restored common sense and ended the elite's plans for the people. They only have Sir Bob and Blair left to save them.

I have DDs too southall and of course my message would echo yours BUT there are very many reasons why there might be an unwanted pregnancy that are too obvious to go into and I have no idea why any woman would want another woman's right to a termination (if she should so wish) made illegal. As I say, we are back to the 70's, that was a time that I was a young teen and my god I would not want the clock rewound to that time.

Southall: www.nhs.uk/Conditions/contraception-guide/Pages/natural-family-planning.aspx

If the instructions are properly followed, natural family planning methods can be up to 99% effective, depending on what methods are used. This means that one woman in 100 who use natural family planning will get pregnant in one year.

So if you follow this method for 5 years, best case scenario you statistically have a 1 in 20 chance of accidentally falling pregnant. Do it for 10 years you have a 1 in 10 chance of falling pregnant.
And it will be much less effective if not used according to the instructions.

Condoms break and contraceptives fail. Using condoms "during just those possible times in a woman's cycle" is also a really irresponsible attitude to contraception - It is not reliable at all. I hope that method is not included in those lessons you're teaching your daughters

"condoms break". You've been watching Jeremy Kyle or Judge Judt and the same excuse trotted out by each and every gormless smirking female. Condoms hardly ever break. What happens in an unwanted pregnancy is that they are put on too late, or not at all. It's a well-worn excuse that cannot be disproved.

If a woman is regular in her cycle, the 10 days or so immediately after finishing her period is safe. The contents of the uterus have been expelled and another egg has not yet formed.

My daughters are over 18 and lessons were well learned.

To push for abortion as standard birth control is very irresponsible, can harm the uterus and cause longstanding depression.

Yes, I agree, my daughters just know not to rely on just condoms for all the reasons that llewj says.

Just in case you didn't read it southall I'm linking this again. A very powerful story about 'Anna' a single parent and please do read about 'Emily' and what she went through to get an abortion in a State that is shutting down support for women i.e. Planned parenthood. Winsconsin, Missouri, Ohio and Indiana have closed a lot of Centres. Would you want your daughter to go through what Emily did???

I would never push for abortion as standard birth control - it's a last resort when other methods have failed.

And you're wrong about the infallibility of contraception. "The same excuse trotted out by each and every gormless smirking female" - It all comes down to those lying women again, does it?