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Trump (Part 4)

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claig · 04/12/2016 19:37

Continuing discussion of the Trumpquake and populist rebellions

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squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 00:52

The woman in green was good. When that rude guy with too much make up on asks a question he doesn't give them any time to answer does he? I counted about 2 seconds between some interruptions during that first interview.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 01:06

Was this the opinion piece he was talking about?
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/10/26/trumps-party-of-angry-white-abusive-males/?utm_term=.16e1aa7b6251

www.adn.com/opinions/national-opinions/2016/10/26/trumps-party-of-angry-white-abusive-males/

"Trump and company use power to go after people they perceive as weaker than they are. They assume that women can be taunted, abused and kept quiet"
True.

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 02:02

Surely was one of them. A great piece of journalism, addressing policies of the candidates, how the government served and intends to serve its citizens, a debate on federal spending and proposed spending, obamacare, migration, etc etc etc.

Oh hang on. No. It was yet again, a woman, using pre election copy space and false facts, (cause of course women arent interested in policy, federal spending, obamacare, migration debate etc etc) to ram an anti 'white males oppresing women', message home. Thats it. Thats all she had to say. Indeed, she was very specific. White, GOP members are women abusers.

And you still wonder a/ why Trump won and b/ why women voted for him ?

Best get my knickers back on and get back in the kitchen........again.

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 02:15

So the sweating Obama, put on the spot over the Russian hacking claims, has launched a formal review. Brilliant. This has potential to be as brilliant as discovering Hillarys votes were counted 6 times in Detroit in the recent recount farce.

So is Obama setting his administration up as the fall guys, so he can claim he only acted on their advice, (so sorry Mr Putin) or is he desperately hoping that he can get away with not publishing the outcome and hopefully itll all go away and we'll all forget he said it?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/09/us-election-hacking-russia-barack-obama-review

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 02:24

"You won't see many photos of the youngest child refugees published in the tabloids because of laws protecting the privacy of vulnerable children."

Really?!!!!! How ridiculous. Weve been pixelating faces for decades if neccesary.

climate change? I prefer this view.

Trump (Part 4)
Lweji · 10/12/2016 05:43

US intelligence laid the blame for the DNC hack at Russia’s feet but has not provided evidence supporting the accusation, although several private cybersecurity firms reaching the same conclusion have.

Link to article given in the above quote, from your own reference, Chris:
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/26/russia-hackers-democratic-national-committee-email-leak
"Security firm ThreatConnect issued a comprehensive report on Tuesday using their own data and data from previous reports by rivals CrowdStrike, Mandiant and Fidelis.

Crowdstrike associates Fancy Bear with other Russian intrusions, notably one into the German Bundestag in May and another into French television network TV5 Monde. Cozy Bear has dug into the state department the joint chiefs, and the White House, said CrowdStrike, which analyzed those hacks.

“We’ve had lots of experience with both of these actors attempting to target our customers in the past and know them well,” wrote CrowdStrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch. “In fact, our team considers them some of the best adversaries out of all the numerous nation-state, criminal and hacktivist/terrorist groups we encounter on a daily basis.”"

Lweji · 10/12/2016 06:07

Chris, I'm curious.

Are you saying that how women are treated is not an important policy issue?

Would you be asking if a piece was only about Obamacare, why it doesn't address other important policy issues, such as migration and women rights?

Are to saying that how Trump and other angry white males, that form the core of his campaign and now future administration, talk about and address women is acceptable and not a problem? Is this how we can expect to be treated? Is to be like this that we want our sons to grow?

Lweji · 10/12/2016 06:15

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Lweji · 10/12/2016 06:23

Hmmm...
I really don't like that word, which I've written in response to the highly offensive cartoon title that Chris posted.
I wouldn't be surprised if mine is deleted, but then so should Chris'.

That's the level of discourse from the right now, which is sad.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/12/2016 08:12

both are exceptionally unpleasant terms Lweji, why don't you ask mn to remove that word from your post? Chris, in the same spirit you should ask for your cartoon to be removed.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 08:12

She does write about a lot of other things Chris:
www.washingtonpost.com/people/jennifer-rubin/?utm_term=.51d6932d5443
The thing is, if we're only allowed to be worried about The Most Important Thing (decided by you, I suppose?) than a lot of issues will get ignored. And I do think that attitudes to women is an important issue (alongside many others). Don't you? Why shouldn't there be an opinion piece on it?

It is possible to be worried about terrorism and climate change.
In fact as discussed previously climate change would exacerbate a lot of other problems around the globe.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 08:32

"Man of the people" Nigel Farage relieved he no longer has to mix with "low grade" people.
“I have no regrets about being poor,” he said of his MEP’s salary. (£85,000).
He also suggested that he could play the role of Middle East Peace Negotiator... When he sobers up he's in for some regrets!
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 09:14

"Are you saying that how women are treated is not an important policy issue?"

Quiet the opposite Lweji. Indeed, the utter absence of discussion about policy issues affecting women in the 'angry white GOP male' fest, is the point.

Heres the Republican Womens Policy Committee ensuring policy change

https://republicanwomenspolicycommittee-ellmers.house.gov/members

and heres the Democrats....

https://www.democrats.org/people/women

Offering lip service to just another minority group..........Hmm

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 09:31

You've not posted two comparable links there Chris, and you know it. This Democrats site is much more comparable to the Republican example: democraticwoman.org/
I found that in a couple of seconds of googling, so I'm sure you could have if you'd really tried.

claig · 10/12/2016 09:39

Thanks, for those Tucker Carlson clips Chris. I didn't watch it yesterday.

Tucker has been given his own show on Fox as they desperately try to win back the real conservative audience after their lack of support for Trump.

The "racist older white male" slur is the usual trick of the progressives to divide and rule people. Everybody now understands their "divide and rule" game and their desperate control of the news game via BBC and the teams etc and elimination of anything that offers a different view by calling it "fake news" etc. The elites are worried and their political class is trying to control the media to control the message.

A good article by former Telegraph editor and Thatcher biographer, Sir Charles Moore, who although being one of the elite, has joined the people and thrown his lot in with the people against the elite.

"I’m a part of the elite. So why am I cheering for the populist right?

If, in a parliamentary democracy, the establishment and the people
diverge, one must surely bet that the elites are wrong
...
So, if the free world is riven by a battle between the highly educated elites of which I am, I suppose, a part and a bunch of seditious oafs and show-offs, why do I nowadays find myself inclined to the latter? It may sound Marxist to say this, but I do think the elites have constructed a world order which serves their interests, not those of their subject populations.
...
The response of elites to their failures is too often to stigmatise the people who complain. Those who protest at immigration levels ten times higher than 30 years ago are treated as racists. Even the ballot box itself is seen as ‘populist’. Remainers argue that the referendum issues were ‘too complicated’ for voters. They seem actively to dislike the idea that our nation should once more be governed by its elected representatives. Having failed electorally, they turn to ‘lawfare’ — preferring a case before the Supreme Court to the direct implementation of what Parliament handed to the people to decide. Voters now believe that their rulers really do not like them very much, so the feeling becomes mutual.

In this respect, the culture war matters. You cannot go on saying that white straight males are brutes without eventually annoying them (and even a significant proportion of what John Prescott used to call their ‘womenfolk’). The cultural signals from the powerful are almost unthinkingly hostile to majority populations. This month, to take a minor example, a report into ‘diversity’ in the theatre commissioned by Andrew Lloyd Webber reported (reusing a phrase from Greg Dyke years ago) that it is ‘hideously white’. Why should the dominant racial characteristic of all western societies be considered ‘hideous’? If you said that anything was ‘hideously black’ you would (rightly) be shunned by polite society. Such asymmetry inspires revolt.
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But if, in a parliamentary democracy, the elites and the voters markedly diverge, one must surely bet that the elites are likelier to be wrong. Strange if this has now become a ‘right-wing’ thought."

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/im-a-part-of-the-elite-so-why-am-i-cheering-for-the-populist-right/

Moore rightly says

"Voters now believe that their rulers really do not like them very much, so the feeling becomes mutual."

and

"The cultural signals from the powerful are almost unthinkingly hostile to majority populations"

but Moore does not really understand why this is the case. In reality, this is all part of the "divide and rule" strategy of the elites and the political class has no say in it since they are essentially puppets, here today booted out tomorrow, and relegated to the lecture circuit making money for speeches and granted book deals and popular entertainment TV shows by the elites to reward them for service to the elites.

Climate change is another one of the elite's cons and the puppets have no choice but to follow. Trump has frightened elites so much because he is not one of their puppets and he may not go along with them. His daughter, Ivanka, seems to have fallen for the elite's con game with Al Gore and Di Caprio, the pops stars, celebs etc, but Trump himself may be immune to the pop stars and that is what frightens the elites.

Sir Bob and Izzard won't have any effect on Trump, just as they didn't have on the British people in Brexit. And obviously, no one takes the hand gestures of Blair seriously. Trump will be immune to those however often the BBC displays them.

I saw this interview with Dr Tim Ball, a climate change sceptic scientist, where he says that he will soon be meeting Trump's team and where the interviewer says that the Al Gore stuff may not be the way Trump intends to go.

I saw Trump's Thank You Tour speech in Michigan last night and Trump brought up on stage the Australian who runs Dow Chemical and whom Trump has appointed to head up his Manufacturing Council. He was great and is setting up more jobs in Michigan and is fully on board with Trump's job message and business message of "America First" and "make America great again". The elite all tuned into the speech last night, from Davos and their plush abodes worldwide, and panicked when they realised that their deindustrialisation strategy (of which their climate change con is just one arm) is over and that the people are going to get jobs again.

The elites fear the game is up and their population control elitists' agenda is over.

Here is the interview with Dr Tim Ball saying he will be speaking to Trump's team (which sent the elites and their puppet class into a tizzy) and here is part 1 of an interview with Dr Tim Ball back in 2009 on the Alex Jones Show which gets into what the climate con is about.

The elites are on the ropes with Trump, and "fake news" is all they have left as they probably try to brand what Trump will say in the future as "fake news" too.

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squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 09:44

There's a lot of discussion around policy issues affecting women - just one example, the threats to reproductive rights posed by the Trump administration and the cost of contraception.
We tried to bring up this issue in previous threads, but you didn't want to talk about it at all, Claig pretty much said "tough shit" and South pointed out that some Middle Eastern countries were even worse on women's rights (like that's an acceptable benchmark Confused).

Would you like to talk about it now? What do you think about Pence's attitude to abortions? Or some of the things Trump said on his campaign about "some sort of punishment" for women (granted, he did backtrack on this a bit).
What do you think about the appointment of Tom Price and his attitude towards contraceptive coverage and women's health?

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 09:51

"You've not posted two comparable links there Chris, and you know it. This Democrats site is much more comparable to the Republican example: <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=democraticwoman.org/" target="_blank">http://democraticwoman.org/
I found that in a couple of seconds of googling, so I'm sure you could have if you'd really tried"

Because it isnt. This is more comparable with the Young Conservatives Association or any other 'aligning yourself with a political group' club. They like to say they 'collaborate' with 'democratic party organizations' and other 'like minded organizations' but thats a long way from making policy change.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 09:54

Or this Chris: www.democrats.orgpage/democratic-womens-alliance
Looks like more than just offering lip service to a minority group.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 10:01

Do you want to talk about any policies that affect women then if you're tired of hearing examples of Trump (and his cronies') rampant misogeny?

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 10:05

The gender paygap? (no policies on addressing it and seems to doubt it exists)

The cost of childcare? ("You need one person or two people, and you need some blocks and you need some swings and some toys. You know, surely, it’s not expensive. It’s not an expensive thing.”)

Sexual assualt in the military? ("that's what you get when you put men and women together")

His opinion of women who breastfeed? ("disgusting")

Chris1234567890 · 10/12/2016 10:14

"Would you like to talk about it now? "

Rather than discuss the article we were discussing and the Tucker Carlson interview?
Take it up with Jennifer Rubin. She prefered to use the Wash Post opportunity to attack white GOP women abusers.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2016 10:17

Ah yes. Tim Ball. Him of the dodgy PhD from the University of Winnipeg,and co founder of Friends of Science. A group dedicated to promoting anti man made climate change view. Funded, among others, by Talisman Energy which was, before it's takeover by Repsol, Canada's largest oil and gas company.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 10:21

Another no then. You really need to stop accusing us of not wanting to about issues and policies when every time we try to, you refuse.

squishysquirmy · 10/12/2016 10:26

Once America's "great" again.
Once terrorism's been eliminated and global peace breaks out across the world.
Once poverty is finished and the economy is booming.
Once the EU has broken up and everyone agrees with you on climate change.
Once everyone is happy about the tax they pay.
Once all infrastructure has been built.
Once immigration is no longer an issue.
Once crime levels drop to zero......

Then can we talk about women's issues?

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