I'm feeling very angry towards Brexiters [title edited by MNHQ]

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...Who are Arses to pretend that they spoke with one voice in June 2016, that they all wanted the same thing and voters all voted for the same version of Brexit. It's was Bleeding Obvious that the official Leave campaign had a wide range of views what Brexit should be, and voters equally decided their vote for diverse reasons, anything but knowing precisely what they would get.

(Just listening to some ArseHat politician on Piennar's Politics, argh!!)

And effects of high immigration please.

| Tryingtosaveup Fri 16-Dec-16 17:33:20
I voted Leave. My reason for doing so was to leave the EU. Simple.
I want to reduce the interface from the EU .
Reduce immgration
If we leave the single market ; fine.
If prices go up; fine.
As long as we leave. Quickly.

Amen I rather die on my feet than live on my knees

And it seems that some only want demorcay when they get the answer they want same sour grapes whan the Tories were elected from the same people

| winkywinkola Sat 24-Dec-16 07:55:38
And effects of high immigration please.

Very simple you don't invite more guests than you catered for
The left can't have it both ways either all services have suffered sweeping cuts and we have a lack of housing or we don't if we do then allowing more unskilled people to settle her who on average have more children than your average Brit who will need schools that were not building more of who will need housing that we don't have that will need social care Ect

No offence but we're good in the uk for low skilled workers we need doctors , social workers Ect those are not the people who are coming the housing list in my area is 11 years long 11 We need 2 new high schools and 3 primary school just to cope with the CURRENT POPULATION and the police have just asked via referendum for a increase in council tax because they have no money but yes let invite thousands more to more

The like of Islington were jc lives were homes are worth 1-2 million are not were the migrants move to they move to coucil estates like mine they effect my community

If you want more people to Come they have to be planned for and costed this is not what's happening its often people who are not working class who don't live in areas like mine telling me that immagration is working for me it's has real benfits but like eveything it also has put falls

But User the very simple analysis doesn't work.

Now I'm not going to patronise you with a huge list of studies and data, but I agree that all of the above are issues that need to be dealt with.

However, its well recorded that whilst immigration might have an impact on public services, it is more often than not, not the cause of the strain that is being felt on public services. It is often easy and simple to blame immigration but if we look closer its not the case.

I'd be shocked for example if you could say that the major determinant of demand for the new schools was overcrowding caused by immigration.

Its also interesting to look at other areas that have high immigration ( and Islington is one, it has some very working class and low income areas) but see that often the impact of immigration is over estimated. There is a good conversation about this on the EU referendum page.

I voted remain but I'm a lot less upset and angry about it than I was. I'm mostly just bored of hearing about it. I'm sure when the country goes to complete shit my pissedoffness will return.

NameChanger - this might cheer you up:

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/750501/Brexit-net-migration-halve-wages-increase-EU-Cambridge-study

Lots of good news in this report, including,

Leaving the European Union (EU) will help relieve the national housing crisis.

Looking at the housing market, which they note has been unbalanced for years, the authors found there would be less pressure post-Brexit as there would be lower demand for housing due to reduced migration.

Unemployment will also be slashed due to lower migration after 2019, assuming that is when Britain leaves the EU.

The report brings hope to workers whose salaries have remained stagnant, with the authors saying a reduction in migration means earnings will rise by more than the two per cent they have done since the 2008 banking crisis.

"The Treasury said there would be four quarters of recession, we have had six months since the Brexit vote, we should have been in recession by now, but we are not."

The Treasury experienced further embarrassment over its predictions after figures released yesterday revealed British car sales hit a record high in 2016, with 2.69million new cars sold, up from 2.63m in 2015, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders revealed.

And the FTSE 100 hit a new record high for the fifth trading day in a row for the first time since January 1998.

The fall in the pound has also been helping exports which has boosted business confidence, a report by the British Chambers of Commerce said.

| DarthPlagueis Thu 05-Jan-17 17:20:19

Of course immragtion is not the only issue

How ever when you simply have a high number of people with low skills moving in to area without addressing the issues that already exist your on a hiding to nothing

You either have to limit immigration or put more into housing Ect I can't see the 11 year wait for housing for the existing residents getting any better so the only other solution is limit the people who are likey to need the housing to be honest I never had a issue with freedom of movement it's freedom to claim that erks me you should have the right a work were you please but should have the respobilty to self support witch means no access to social housing no benfits and you should be required to have health care if you can't self support then what would you be doing here really same goes for our lot who chance there arm in other countries as well

You should not be moving to another country to chance your arm you should have a firm job offer before you even get on a plane to move somewhere and to have the Gaul to walk into to a welfare office and claim even 1p is a blooming cheek and if the job is so low paid that you can't support yourself then you need to rethink

But that report agrees with the treasusry and says that GDP will be 5% lower by 2025, it also finds that real wages will be roughly flat 25, and that higher inflation will undermine the any gains to wages caused by lower net migration.

The Treasury's severe Brexit forecast said 7% percent, this is 5%, with at best being 3%.

Its fun to see that you link to the express and haven't actually read the report.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-economy-damage-hit-2020-general-election-cambridge-study-a7511596.html

Darth - I'll take that one, thanks! Cheered me up no end. Great stuff.

Fine, but if your going to quote academics, then you have to look at the broad balance of what is out there.

Again with the leave crowd you are very selective in what you take from things.

Looks like they are all jumping on Cambridge University's Brexit report bandwagon with their own mea culpas:

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/chief-economist-of-bank-of-england-admits-errors

The Bank of England has come under intense criticism for predicting a dramatic slowdown in the UK’s fortunes in the event of a vote for Brexit only for the economy to bounce back strongly and remain one of the best performing in the developed world.

Haldane is known to be concerned about mounting criticism of experts and the potential for Threadneedle Street’s forecasts to be dismissed by politicians if errors persist.

But then if you're going to dismiss all forecasts fourmummy, you have to dismiss the Cambridge ones too.

In fact the BOE and Treasury got one big part right, the fall in the pound and the rise in inflation, which we haven't seen the full effect of yet. We also have slower than predicted growth. There has been lower investment than predicted, although there has been some good news there too.

Also the Cambridge report isn't as rosy as you are making out, as I've identified above.

The fact that you and all of the pro brexit politicians jumped all over this the badly thought out, poorly analysed Change Britain stuff last week is a further example of the fact that you are only willing to listen to expert advice when it confirms your bias.

You know what, I've always really struggled with this notion that a majority of people are right just by virtue of them being a majority of people.

If everything had been decided by direct democracy, then we would still be hanging people, locking up homosexuals and enslaving blacks.

I am one EU expat - for work reasons - here. I have been one in the last 14 years (before economic crisis, Obama, Brexit, Trump...)
I live now in Scotland (that voted remain) and will be moving to southern England because my husband's company transfer him there.

I accept the vote, of course!!...but it scares me, when you point inmigration, I feel excluded like I want to take advantage in a wrong way of UK. When what I want is to do exactly the same as you: work, pay taxes...
And I think you would hate me or my family (my children feel themselves and think of themselves as British, their mother tongue is English...we never had a problem with that, in fact I think it enriches our family).

So I do not know how to react, because I feel you do not want "us" with you. And if things economically gets worse because the Brexit, a thing that I do not know whether will happen or not, "we" will be still the ones to be blamed.

I am just letting my fears out....

Devana10 I voted to leave and I certainly have no problem with you, or your family or anyone else that is here living and working.

I voted leave because I have issue with sending so much money to the E.U. who cannot account for it and have not been able to produce accounts for years, for one thing, well, the list of reasons is too long to go into! I just wanted to reassure you that almost all of the people I know voted for Brexit and none of them have made any statements to me regarding sending people back to wherever they came from!