I'm feeling very angry towards Brexiters [title edited by MNHQ]

[lljkk]

...Who are Arses to pretend that they spoke with one voice in June 2016, that they all wanted the same thing and voters all voted for the same version of Brexit. It's was Bleeding Obvious that the official Leave campaign had a wide range of views what Brexit should be, and voters equally decided their vote for diverse reasons, anything but knowing precisely what they would get.

(Just listening to some ArseHat politician on Piennar's Politics, argh!!)

I can't think of a way.

There is no political body fighting for Brexit.

That's the problem.

I love that tryingtosaveup is more than happy with prices going up - oh the irony unless she/he is very wealthy but the name doesn't suggest as much does it...

But to have a plan that remainers shout out at us to explain? No, I don't think that leave voters need to detail a plan.

Then you've voted for hot air.

For those who voted leave, I suggest you find out exactly what being a member of the EU means and exactly how difficult it is to do so.

it isn't like being a member of a gym where you cancel your subscription

As for those bleating about immigration, what about non EU immigration how does the EU tackle that?

Do you honestly believe that it is immigration which is the cause of our problems?

Have you just glossed over the rising elderly population? The increase in obesity which puts a massive strain on our health system?

What about our imbalanced economy? we as a country rely on the financial services sector in London. We aren't renown for making things. What do we have to offer the world in terms of trade?

as for a democratic mandate, sorry but legally the EU referendum was advisory. It has no legal basis.

"There is no political body fighting for Brexit."

???

"Firstly, stabby is not English. Secondly, does it mean you actually want to stab someone who voted for Brexit?! "

Larry, thanks for the mansplain.

"Stabby" is very much a Mumsnet word. It has quite a history on here for the extreme irritation felt, especially in a heightened pre-menstrual state, towards those that confidently swing their opinions around as facts while having no clue what they're talking about.

Hth.

Kaija Best explanation of stabby I've seen

especially in a heightened pre-menstrual state LOL

Sally,

Sounds like you ran away to me, unless your screen name is not as it seems.

The Euro and the exchange rates the Southern European countries went into it explains most of the problems in Southern Europe.

Yes, they should have worked harder and paid tax but now they are in a vicious circle that they cannot escape from by devaluing.

In the light of what several posters have said, we have edited the title of this thread as it's not in the spirit of Mumsnet to physically attack those you disagree with.

Sally is right about the PIIGS issue, half of the Greek economy is "informal" and there are major issue with tax collection for the bits that aren't. Ireland is no longer in trouble, Italy's finanacial and political problems go back way further than the Euro. As Sally says being in the euro gives them fewer options, but it isn't to blame for the situation in those countries.

Leavers voted for fifty different flavours of pie in the sky.

Actually, so did the remainers. No-one can predict what the EU will be like in a few years, or several years, or decades down the line.

YY. It was the ultimate wish fulfilment referendum.

It's so frustrating that we still haven't moved on from the hobby extremes insisting that the opposing side are all a big lump of homogeneous X.

We'll never move forward if we keep this up.

gobby extremes

"We'll never move forward if we keep this up."

This debate has been going on since the bloody 40s! Herbet Morrison made the first decision not to join in the back room of the Ivy because:" The Durham miners will never wear it."

I don't remember ever feeling that society around me was polarised as it is now.

I don't remember ever feeling that society around me was polarised as it is now.

The UK has become a country of the haves and have-nots.

I don't think it has just become that though, this is a change which has been going on since the 1980s and is the product of Thatcher and Reagan's economic policies which have just been carried on by the following administrations.

Well yes inequality is (shockingly) back to pre WW2 levels. But that's not the fault line along which the current noisy split has opened up (although there might be partial correlation).

More conspicuously, nobody seems much interested in tackling the inequality beyond a bit of lip service.

The Labour Party's chief concern seems to be defending high immigration, The Conservatives' dismantling the welfare state.

So to the extent that the referendum WAS a howl of pain from the poorly paid and insecurely housed, the message is being steadfastly ignored anyway.

Its because dealing with inequality means that harsh realities have to be realised and people aren't willing to face up to them.

For example many people vote aspirationally when it comes voting for governments on tax policies, almost like they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires who in the future would not want their wealth being taken from them in tax. The vast majority of people would be better off voting for a progressive tax system which creates equality through redistribution of wealth through public services, but they won't because they think that it might be them that pays more in the future.

ha! but I don't feel very angry. I feel stabby which is obviously a term of wanting to act out mock aggression not wanting to do genuine aggression. Oh well.

Not pre-menstral... more like the mood post-random-attention-seeking-Brexiter just said usual stupid stuff on the radio.

For example many people vote aspirationally when it comes voting for governments on tax policies, almost like they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires who in the future would not want their wealth being taken from them in tax

That is so true. /

"Not pre-menstral..."

Yes, sorry, lljkk - was probably projecting there...