Trump (Part 3)

[claig]

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

Blair was the reason why people went in search of alternative explanations for what was happening to them. He is very significant for that reason.

PPE does not just refer to actual 'PPE'. It is a euphemism for institutionalised narratives seeking to 'spin' society for self-serving ends.

People's focus on Trump misses the point that anyone who would have stood up to the above would have won (but you do obviously need to be a specific character in order to have recognised what was going on, named it and decided to do something about it. 'What was going on' is explained in the first part of the Trump speech that Claig posted up yesterday). This is why this is, for once, a genuine revolution. What is happening is exactly what a revolution is supposed to do - and you are missing it by focusing on Trump's hair/personality (even though you don't know him).

Spot on, fourmummy.

'And it's fine to rip off and bully "the little people" because that's just business?'

No, it's not fine. But that is real life. Shit happens, but now, with Trump, shit is going to happne for teh elites and their servants.

Sure, Trump did bad things. But he never killed people, he was never responsible for the deaths of millions of people in Iraq, or the hundreds of thousands of deaths and lives destroyed in Libya and Syria, like some of our "great and good" political class.

A revolution led by billionaires and supported by the old against the young.

Shit is going to happen to the elites? Oh yes, shit like big tax cuts for the elites. The elites are not the ones who will be suffering under Trump.

So you can justify Trump bullying and ripping off the little people "because it's real life" because he's going to do it to "the elites" as well?

What distinguishes a "genuine" revolution from a "fake" revolution? Is it by chance when something happens that you agree with?

Anyway...Trump is...

Thin skinned
a bully
An avowed sexual abuser
Bad at doing business (lost millions)
doesn't pay taxes
plans to give himself a massive pay cut
plans to deregulate the banks
plans to take healthcare aware from the poorest Americans

So Claig, Chris, et al, how exactly is any of that going to help the "non-elite"?

'So you can justify Trump bullying and ripping off the little people "because it's real life" because he's going to do it to "the elites" as well?'

Trump never lied his way into a war that killed millions of people like some of our Oxbridge PPE puppets did. Trump knows that the pretence that Isis is this big threat that can't be beaten is a lie. As he says

"We can't beat anybody. We can't beat Isis. Give me a break"

There are people dying in teh Middle East, as Trump says "people are having their heads chopped off"

We are fortunate to live safely in the West, but people are dying because of the policies in Iraq and Syria and Libya that allowed Jihadism to spread and allowed regimes to fund these barbarians. Yazidis expelled from their homelands, women raped, young girls raped, men beheaded, Christians killed, massacred, churches destroyed, young boy beheaded for listening to music

"ISIS execute a 15-year-old boy by beheading after he is caught listening to western music in Iraq"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452533/ISIS-execute-15-year-old-boy-beheading-caught-listening-western-music-Iraq.html

And you talk about what Trump did on a golf course in Scotland? I don't care, I want Trump to end the disgusting carnage that has resulted due to teh inept political class and their billionaire backers, some of them who have actually funded these barbarians.

I want Trump to liberate Europe from teh insanity of a political class that is ruining our continent with mass unemployment across Europe, uncontrolled immigration and more and more laws made by puppets that are removing our free speech to say we disagree with what these idiots are doing.

Go Trump! Go Trumpsters! Save us here, we need you!

The elites are going to get...

A tax cut
deregulation of the banks

I mean wow, how much suffering will the endure, I don't know how they will bear it!

Trump also said he wanted to Nuke (that's destroy with Nuclear weapons, Inkanta) ISIS, which would kill millions, if not tens of millions.

Just noticed Claig defending trickle down economics earlier. This is the revolution against the elites??

Not so much.

'So Claig, Chris, et al, how exactly is any of that going to help the "non-elite"?'

Alexei, I have already said, I am not replying to you

That's quite all right claig, you're not obliged to respond to me.

Hope the weather in Russia is fine this morning!

I mean the answer is that it isn't going to hurt them, Trump is around to help them.

Just like his self-enriching soon-to-be-ex-chum in the motherland.

What distinguishes a "genuine" revolution from a "fake" revolution?

The latter is paid for. The former, of which there are very few, is a people's uprising.

And you talk about what Trump did on a golf course in Scotland? I don't care ...

It's something that Trump does on a wide scale in all his businesses. Quite indicative of his character, don't you think?

And from the BBC website (I know, spin, spin): John Brennan, head of the CIA, offered a bleak assessment of the situation in Syria arguing that both the Syrian regime and the Russians were responsible for a slaughter of civilians which he described as "outrageous".

That will be the Russians that Trump is so keen to support?

'John Brennan, head of the CIA, offered a bleak assessment of the situation in Syria arguing that both the Syrian regime and the Russians were responsible for a slaughter of civilians which he described as "outrageous".

Of course he said that, because he is part of the old guard, the old thinking, the Clinton-Obama policy. The new head of the CIA will be Mike Pompeo, Trump's choice. It's a new world.

Fourmummy - wow how convenient! Every revolution you don't like is paid for, every revolution you do like is real.

I wonder if there's ever been a revolution which achieved aims counter to Russia's foreign policy goals that you have supported? Could you care to name one?

Also where does one sign up to get "paid" to be a revolutionary? Is it the same people that pay claig's wages or someone else?

What will Pompeo's assessment be, claig? Has your boss written it for him already?

Alexei, please don't ask me to teach you what is going on in the world. I am not replying to you.

Like I said, you're not obliged to respond to me.

Doesn't mean I won't keep asking you questions though :)

How convenient claig - don't like the assessment? Dismiss it as outdated.

What if Pompeo agrees with his previous incumbent? Claig seems very very sure that he won't.

'How convenient claig - don't like the assessment? Dismiss it as outdated.'

Informal, you haven't been paying attention to the entire election. this is about politics. Trump won, he said the politics were idiotic, he said they were made by "losers", he said he will not hire these "geniuses" who advocated and advised for these policies, these "foreign policy experts" that Trump calls "dummies". He doesn't believe them, he doesn't agree with them on Syria, he says

"We can't beat anybody. We can't beat Isis. Give me a break"

They now have to defend the policies they stood by and advocated because Trump has swept into power and he will look at what has been going on.

Forgive me, have to shoot. More cyber Monday gear arriving. Entire room needs to be cleared to store it. Gadgets, tech, food, books, DVDs, blinking and beeping electronics, the whole nine yards. Bank account in tatters, but living for today is all that matters said a famous philosopher once, and then keeled over the next day.

Actually, claig, I have been paying close attention. Trump's foreign policy is going to be based on "what's in it for me?" rather than "how can the US help bring peace".