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Trump (Part 3)

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claig · 29/11/2016 16:13

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

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Chris1234567890 · 29/11/2016 21:09

"The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism. "

Who quoted on the last thread, 'journalists are now hacks, and hacks are now journalists' (or something close)? Thats so true today....

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 21:17

You need to come out of your safe space and into the real world, Chris.
The world where, yes, not all women nod and smile along with you, but where normal people get on with it....
Smile

claig · 29/11/2016 21:23

Absolutely, Southall, it is a brilliant speech because Trump knows what is going on and his core team do also. Obviously he has to put some Establishment stooges into office to deal with the rest of the stooges, but Trump and his key people know what is at stake.

Hillary and the media blamed the Russians for the hacking and Wikileaks stuff, but Willian Binney, former NSA Architect, says he thinks it is more likely to be someone or some people within NSA.

There is very likely to have been a faction within military and intelligence who helped Trump because they knew what was going on and they opposed it and they probably helped him. It is not a game, it is power in the most powerful country on the planet and it affects nearly all of the billions of people on earth. Trump has ended the "criminality and corruption" as he calls it in order to end the wars, the pay for play and the selling out of America to "a corrupt global establishment". As Trump said "I love this country and it has given me so much".

He is 70 years old, he loved his business, but he loves America more and that is why he wants to hep the American people and help Nigel Farage too and the British people and all people.

Trump said

"Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe.

That is what happens on these boards, in our politics, on our BBC etc. It is the only tool they have to destroy free speech and eventually people will be too scared to speak up about their diasagreements with the metropolitan elites on anything, on unisex toilets in schools policies and all the rest of their policies.

That is why Farage failed. The entire Establishment ganged up on him. But Trump is Farage x 100. He had no fear, he deliberately provoked them and said insulting things and showed that they were powerless to bully him and that is why he has killed political correctness and enabled free speech again, even if it is offensive, because some people are offended by Germaine Greer or Nigel Farage and that shuts down their free speech.

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claig · 29/11/2016 21:30

'Who quoted on the last thread, 'journalists are now hacks, and hacks are now journalists' (or something close)? Thats so true today....'

That was the tweet by Kim DotCom who knows Assange and said Assange would drop some Wikileaks bombshells. His tweet was the best of the entire campaign

"2016, the year hackers became journalists and journalists became hacks"

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squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 21:42

Summoning a load of journalists who have been critical of you into a room to shout at them is not defending free speech.
Journalists are supposed to hold the powerful to account. Trump is one of the richest, and is soon to be the most powerful man on the planet.

Those journalists - whether you like them or not - should absolutely have the right to scrutinise his every move. I am not just saying that because I am left wing, or liberal, or right wing, or centrist or neo-liberal.
It is a fundamental principle of free speech.

Southallgirl · 29/11/2016 21:42

I agree that Farage lost because he had no support in areas that count, such as the military.

I think this thread may have some paid apparatchiks. At first I thought they were simply people of a different opinion, but we are on Thread 3 now and I think it is an organised assault. We had it on the pre-Brexit threads. I noted from the timestamps that they were on MN all day. A veteran MNetter told me that they were almost certainly paid agitators there to confuse or persuade the undecideds.

claig · 29/11/2016 21:43

We are blase if we miss teh enormity of what is happening. Earthquake doesn't come near.

The next President of the United States say that all of teh mainstream media are " a room full of liars". It means he has no trust in them and that they are all working against him, the elected President of the American people, and that means that they are working against the American people.

They are working for their billionaire bosses and that means that their billionaire bosses are working against the President and the people.

There has never been anything like this in United States history as far as I know. Trump intends to clean house for the American people. It is a revolution.

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Lorelei76 · 29/11/2016 21:43

Claig, thanks for taking the time to post that
I will look at it properly but I've literally just had some very bad news, so it will be later on - but I will def look at it.

claig · 29/11/2016 21:44

I am very sorry to hear that, Lorelei76. I hope everything turns out OK.

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squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 21:54

Am I a paid apparatchik? I have been here for a couple of years, mainly lurking but also posting on a variety of threads includding chat, aibu, "what we're reading" , baby sleep etc.
Report me for trolling if you like.

SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 21:57

"A veteran MNetter told me that they were almost certainly paid agitators there to confuse or persuade the undecideds."

You might be Wink

claig · 29/11/2016 21:57

Blimey just googled

"Unisex toilets at London primary school spark outrage among parents"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/unisex-school-toilets-gender-neutral-london-inclusive-bathrooms-lgbt-same-sex-a7441841.html

As political correctness grows in power, soon no one will say anything. It is the Emperor Has No Clothes syndrome and Trump has ended it in the US.

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Southallgirl · 29/11/2016 21:58

Who knows. And by the way, I do not report anyone ..... free speech and all that.

Kaija · 29/11/2016 22:03

I think you might be right, Southall

Did Infowars send you here Wink

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 22:16

That toilet story is super relevant to Trump's win in the US.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36490552

Spinflight · 29/11/2016 22:16

"Just so theres no misunderstandings, I will not respond to any posts on here from squishy, kaija and alyosha due to the disgusting posts from the previous thread, so dont bother goading guys, Im sweeping on by."

Me too chris.

Utterly appalled by their abhorrent views.

If another Rotherham story broke tomorrow they'd be on here spinning that it is a societal problem that must be fixed by more authoritarian control, rather than racism and neglect from their fellow travellers.

I guess they figure a few more children raped is worth the price for their warped ideology.

I pointed a few of my American friends to their comments as a warning of what could happen to their country. They were sickened.

Missswatch · 29/11/2016 22:21

Aggghhh Spin you summed it up. I see feminists throwing women under the bus all the damn time

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 22:25

Going to post this again:

I have made no accusations of fascism, naziism, or white supremacy against other posters. I have not "smeared" anyone .I have never said that all Trump supporters, or all leave voters are racists or fascists. I have not said that, because I don't think it's true.

Neither have Kaija or Alyosha.

I have not made any personal attacks on other posters either, although I have dissected and strongly criticised many of the arguments put forward. At times the debate has become heated, and nastiness has definitely flowed in the other direction.

I have been repeatedly accused of personal attacks by Spin, Chris and Claig but none of them have been able to provide any examples.

And yes, Spin, there is a societal problem in our country when blind eyes have been repeatedly turned to the sexual abuse of women and children.

Scandal after scandal. I am disgusted that you still cannot see that victim blaming and cover-ups are a problem. "Authoritarian control" is not the answer, but learning from the mistakes of the past is essential to prevent further abuse.

Kaija · 29/11/2016 22:25

Spinflight, you just made all that up. I read the Rotherham discussion and you have just blatantly lied about it. I wonder why.

user1480456766 · 29/11/2016 22:27

Trump is a disaster.

BoredofBrexit · 29/11/2016 22:28

Care to expand?

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 22:29

She does like to make false accusations doesn't she Kaija? At least it's really easy to check though.....

Kaija · 29/11/2016 22:32

It is very much a Trump technique.

Very good analysis here of how Trump uses sheer volume of lies to gaslight the media, and the public.

thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.14vx75rhq

user1480456766 · 29/11/2016 22:36

Trump is a disaster.

Kaija · 29/11/2016 22:36

"When political actors can’t agree on basic facts and procedures, compromise and rule-bound argumentation are basically impossible; politics reverts back to its natural state as a raw power struggle in which the weak are dominated by the strong.

That’s where Donald Trump’s lies are taking us. By attacking the very notion of shared reality, the president-elect is making normal democratic politics impossible. When the truth is little more than an arbitrary personal decision, there is no common ground to be reached and no incentive to look for it."

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