Trump (Part 3)

[claig]

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

"America's great anti-elitist is Donald Trump, the billionaire property tycoon who is currently appointing the wealthiest cabinet in American history. Britain's is Arron Banks, the multimillionaire insurance mogul and political donor who ploughed £5.6m of his fortune into the Brexit campaign. Neither man has called for a radical redistribution of wealth, to be achieved by imposing large tax rises on extremely rich men like themselves. So when they talk of fighting back against the elite, they evidently have some other definition in mind."

The Telegraph has sadly gone down in terms of standards. They seem to be employing social justice warriors and Blairites as commentators. This Michael Deacon seems to speak so much nonsense that I would guess he speaks fluent Oxbridge. So I googled him, but as far as I can see, he is not too bad

"Consider my day job. In 2011 I became the Telegraph’s parliamentary sketch writer. Unlike seemingly everyone else in 21st-century politics, I’d never worked for a think tank, I’d never been a Spad or a bag-carrier, I hadn’t done a degree in PPE at Oxford and I hadn’t spent my teenage years memorising Hansard."

www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/michael-deacon-how-i-weaned-myself-off-pot-noodles/

Now that is all very creditable, laudable and reassuring, unlike the snippet that you have quoted which sounds as if it could have come straight from the top echelons of the No Faith Foundation.

'"America's great anti-elitist is Donald Trump, the billionaire property tycoon who is currently appointing the wealthiest cabinet in American history'

As Trump said in his historic speech to Trump fans in Ohio, at the start of the Thank You Tour, the other night

"so now they are complaining that we have appointed a billionaire for commerce. We want people who know how to make money, right? I don't want to appoint someone who knows how to go broke"

Common sense, the opposite of the Telegraph and the No Faith Foundation.

'Neither man has called for a radical redistribution of wealth'

Is this the Telegraph or Left Foot Backward. Is Michael Deacon Oxbridge? What is going on? Trump and Banks are not Fidel Castro, Jeremy Corbyn or John McDonnell. They are business moguls, they know how to make money, they are not socialists.

As the legendary Stump for Trump Sisters are famous for saying

"The only colour Donald Trump see is green, and he want you to have some of it"

Common sense, the opposite of the Telegraph and the No Faith Foundation.

'So when they talk of fighting back against the elite, they evidently have some other definition in mind."'

Of course they have. No wonder the Telegraph has lost the plot, couldn't see Trump coming, their Oxbridge graduates called him "unfit" and they need a paywall. They haven't got a clue who the elites are.

You would have to be utterly deluded to believe either Trump or Banks have any interest in the common good.

They are the elites. Referring to anyone holding liberal values as "the elite" is nothing more than a con trick. But keep saying it enough times and you'll fool at least some of the people.

'Referring to anyone holding liberal values as "the elite" is nothing more than a con trick'

The elites don't hold liberal values. They fully back the Saudis who are probably the most illiberal people on the planet. The elites have a servant class of con tricksters whose job it is to fool and bully the people, somewhat similar to what Michael Deacon of the Telegraph says he is not

"Unlike seemingly everyone else in 21st-century politics, I’d never worked for a think tank, I’d never been a Spad or a bag-carrier, I hadn’t done a degree in PPE at Oxford"

"You would have to be utterly deluded to believe either Trump or Banks have any interest in the common good."

Then why did Trump lead the people's revolution and Farage lead the People's Army and why did Trump rightly call the entire mainstream media "a room full of liars"?

These are historic times, the world has never seen anything like it. We are in the midst of a people's revolution and the elites are shouting that Trump is "unfit". Anyone would think they are "frit", knee deep in the shit and to save themselves, they have called for the return of Blair, the steaming nit.

"Then why did Trump lead the people's revolution and Farage lead the People's Army and why did Trump rightly call the entire mainstream media "a room full of liars."

There is no people's revolution. Most people voted for Clinton. Brexit was led by multi-millionaires with a self-proclaimed campaign strategy of "facts don't work".

Why did Trump call the mainstream media a room full of liars? Because for a corrupt leader with authoritarian ambitions, controlling information through intimidation of the press is the first step.

If any group can truly be described as "servants of the elite" right now, it is those who cheerlead tirelessly for billionaire-led populist movements online.

On Sunday, in Italy and Austria, the puppets will probably be defeated again as the populist rebellion sweeps the servants out of power

So, what exactly is happening in Italy and Austria?

"so now they are complaining that we have appointed a billionaire for commerce. We want people who know how to make money, right? I don't want to appoint someone who knows how to go broke"

Yes, because Trump already has that expertise. He'll need someone to keep the US in the black (well, in accounting terms, obviously. I don't think they'd want the US to go too black. 8 years should be enough).

Renzi holding a referendum of teh Italian Constitution and changes to it. Threatened to resign if he loses, a bit like Cameron calling the British people's bluff. I suspect that not may people, apart from the elites, care if Renzi resigns, same as Cameron. Austria rerunning Presidential election which I wouldn't be surprised if the elites rigged last time.

Likely shockwaves for the elites, their political class, banking mates and media "rooms full of liars".

They are not politically correct in Italy. The elites can never take away the Italian people's free speech. It's all over for the elites.

"Will Quitaly sink the EU? Tomorrow, a 'No' vote in a referendum in Italy could lead it out of Europe - and spark an economic crisis, writes ROBERT HARDMAN
...
Rome today is run by Five Star’s own mayor, Virginia Raggi, 37, a leading light in this madcap political movement whose slogan is ‘F* Off’ — yes, really"

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3996058/Will-Quitaly-sink-EU-Tomorrow-No-vote-referendum-Italy-lead-Europe-spark-economic-crisis-writes-ROBERT-HARDMAN.html

'political movement whose slogan is ‘F* Off’ '

I haven't been keeping up to date with Italy, but my best guess is that the slogan is aimed at the elites, unlike the elites who say such a disgraceful thing to the people.

Are you aware of what Renzi proposes? A smaller unelected house and ultimately becoming easier to pass on laws.
The populist movement opposes this, so basically it stands for the Establishment to continue, which is interesting.

I see that many seem worried about dictatorships, but a single house with proportional representation has been in place in my country with no major problems.

Proportional representation could be a challenge, but at least it prevents a minority candidate/party from winning.
I understand that people don't feel as being directly represented in parliament, but quite often constituency MPs are party imposed, or, as in Italy, joke candidates get elected.

A "no" vote, as championed by populist party Five Star Movement (5SM), would block the reforms to streamline Italy's public administration and would mean the extensive checks currently required stay in place.

www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/italys-referendum-explained-what-you-need-to-know.html

'The vote is on fiendishly complex plans by Italy’s shiny centre-Left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi — a 41-year-old latter-day Tony Blair'

Oh well, that's it, it's all over then, certain defeat for Renzi. Even if Blair taught Renzi a "hand gesture", it won't help him with the "people".

'The populist movement opposes this'

The populist doesn't care, it's slogan id "F* Off', and according to all reports, Renzi is a Tony Blair type, so it's all over, finito, eliti in panico.

And Austria is seeing the polarisation that I mentioned earlier. The far-right candidate could win, but it is far from a big people movement, as they're going neck and neck with the left.

Such polarisation is not particularly healthy, though. It may shake things up a bit, and force some good and necessary changes. But it can also go spectacularly wrong.
Then, I fully plan to say fuck off to happy going blind populist supporters as they will have brought it on, not only on themselves, but everyone else.

according to all reports that you read, it should say.
Breitbart, Daily Fail?

'as they're going neck and neck with the left.'

You don't really believe that do you? Trump called the media "a room full of liars", just like all the polls and the BBC said Hillary was way ahead of Trump. The spin is ending, Blair is returning.

I don't read Breitbart, it has got pop-ups and videos and stuff like that on every page. Can't be bothered to negotiate my way through all that.

You don't really believe that do you?

I believe the last election results, even if there were problems. There's no landslide. As there wasn't for Trump or Brexit, for that matter.

Trump called the media "a room full of liars", just like all the polls and the BBC said Hillary was way ahead of Trump.
Considering how the polls work, how they were behaving on the run up to the election and the actual election result, there were no lies.
Trump was lucky.

what is claig on about?

I often ask myself that very question.

It's like talking to a cult indoctrinate.

user1480456651, the Trump Tsunami, the biggest political event we have ever witnessed and now the people's revolution will spread across Europe.

As Simon Jenkins said in the Guardian

"Boris Johnson may wish otherwise, but the old world order is finished"

It is over, the spin is collapsing so fast that the BBC can't keep up.

He's gone into spirit medium mode again.