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Trump (Part 3)

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claig · 29/11/2016 16:13

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 15:40

A world with different jobs to 10, 50, or 100 years ago.

I don't think that migrants make an incredibly dangerous, difficult journey to the west just to piss you off, Claig. Encouraging global development should not be a controversial idea - it's win-win.

squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 15:43

"Stephen Hawking, the expert on jobs and business..." He didn't claim to be. Anyway I am certain he is no less informed than the Trump supporters whose opinions you constantly repeat on here.

squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 15:50

Whats the adjective form of the noun "migrant", Claig?

claig · 02/12/2016 15:52

'A world with different jobs to 10, 50, or 100 years ago.'

40% of Italian youth are unemployed. There are no jobs. they offshored them to lower wage economies and then lied about retraining people when there are no jobs to do. Did you watch BBC Newsnight last night?

An Italian woman in Rome told our BBC reporters the truth

"we have a political class who wants to sell out to Europe to the banks and the financial system"

That is the same as all our political classes because they all serve the same system, and that is why Trump won in America and ended the entire game. He called the political class "puppets" which many Italians think they are too.

'Encouraging global development should not be a controversial idea - it's win-win.'

It's not a win-win, it's more spin.

As even leftwing Zoe Williams had to tell another one of these great and good twit "philosophers" they put on the Daily Politics for our benefit, who believes things are getting better with globalisation and makes money giving lectures about how good things are like Dr Pangloss ( professor of "métaphysico-théologo-cosmolonigologie" with honours Oxbridge) "we live in a bordered world and it is no point saying that the American people were being irrational voting for Trump, because the reality is that they haven't seen theri wages increase for 30 years".

That is why Trump won, because the ordinary people, the Deplorables, know that Cameron and Clinton and Blair and Goldman Sachs are all just spinners, lying about globalisation and how it is win-win. It is win-win for the elites and their servants and puppets, but not for the people. Even Corbyn just about understands that.

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 15:55

So allowing things to get even more shit in poorer countries and ignoring climate change whilst building huge walls is going to work? For how long?

claig · 02/12/2016 15:56

'Whats the adjective form of the noun "migrant", Claig?'

"migratory millions"

don't you see that this is Oxbridge, a Blairism, that goes together with a hand gesture and some mockney glottal stop. Doesn't it sound just like one of those SPADs, doesn't it sound like an attempt at clever spin?

migratory is used for flocks of birds. This use probably won some extra marks on a course for spin.

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 15:58

And if you'd read the article you would have seen that he highlighted all the problems you have in your last post (unemployment, rising inequality, the drawbacks of globalisation).

Global development is not a synonym for globalisation - you do realise that?

squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 16:02

I'd hate to play scrabble using the dictionary of Claig-approved-words. Very limited.

claig · 02/12/2016 16:03

'So allowing things to get even more shit in poorer countries and ignoring climate change whilst building huge walls is going to work? For how long?

Things won't get even more shit if the elites stop backing Jihadis to overthrow secular governments in order to rob their oil or set up pipelines for their "pay to play" billionaire mates, or go to war on lies and dodgy dossiers and replace stable governments with head chopping Islamists, and if they stop exploiting Africa for its resources and do fair trade or rip them off with IMF enforced privatisations that benefit the global banks. If they stop the wars and invest in roads and railways and infrastructure and gain a fair return, then the whole world will develop.

They don't need to offshore our jobs and factories to lower wage economies, how does that help us? Countries should invest and be given money to produce for their own market first and then the surplus can be traded and then if you believe in "manmade climate change" like the Three Stooges do - Sir Bob, Izzard and Sillybland - then local production will cut carbon because transportation will be reduced.

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claig · 02/12/2016 16:04

'he highlighted all the problems you have in your last post (unemployment, rising inequality, the drawbacks of globalisation).'

But I bet he got the all wrong, more spin, just like Cameron and all the rest of them.

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 16:08

I think we are about to witness an avalanche of political decisions that benefit the billionaires in charge at the expense of the people, and if we're unlucky some extra wars and global instability thanks to a man who can't even answer a simple congratulatory phone call without screwing up royally.

claig · 02/12/2016 16:17

The whole point of globalisation, which is what all the servants serve, is to force us all to be interdependent and not independent. That way we are all controlled by the elites and played off aganst each other in their "divide and rule" game. That is why they offshore our industrial base and create 40% youth unemployment in Italy while promising that "they will retrain people for the new world where jobs and industries are collapsing and teh migratory millions are moving to find work", so that we can't be independent.

They don't want Africa to be independent or Gaddafi to be independent or us to be independent or America to be independent, because then none of us can be controlled by them. They want to be able to put the squeeze on us.

Trump has ended it all. "Make America Great Again", make it independent and "take our country back", just like Nigel Farage said in Brexit, which is why Trump calls himself "Mr Bexit".

That is why the elites fear and smear Trump because he has made America First again, has made it independent again and now they can't control Trump, like they did the "pay for play" politicians, and they can't control the American people any more and their jobs will now return.

Trump said

"we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism"

and the panic echod across the world from Davos to Brussels and every puppet on earth was told to call Trump "unfit" and the people who supported him "Deplorables".

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 16:23

You really think all those problems were deliberately planned and executed?
That the increased inter-connectedness between nations had nothing to do with technology, unforeseen consequences and human behaviour?
Is Stephen Hawking in on the plot?

claig · 02/12/2016 16:23

"Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016"

They can't control Trump, he is not a "pay for play" puppet, and they can't control America or the American people any more, and all across the world they are scared of Trump.

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claig · 02/12/2016 16:25

'Is Stephen Hawking in on the plot?'

Stephen Hawking is totally clueless, just like Sir Bob and Izzard. He should stick to physics.

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 16:26

Ah, but he'll say something different on the phone to him... Wink

claig · 02/12/2016 16:32

'You really think all those problems were deliberately planned and executed?'

Globalisation and the resulting destruction of national sovereignty is a deliberate policy that we the British people have damaged with our rebellion against our servants in Brexit and which Trump has totally ended with his victory in America.

On Sunday we will see it gain pace in Italy and Austria as the populists beat the globalists and their servant political class, and as national sovereignty, independence and the nation state beats globalisation and loss of sovereignty which is what worries the elites, The Economist, the Financial Times, the EU, the OECD, the IMF and Goldman Sachs so much, the same people who were against the people voting for Brexit.

As the Italian woman in Rome told our BBC reporters on BBC Newsnight last night

"we have a political class who wants to sell out to Europe to the banks and the financial system"

Well that is all changing as they fall like dominoes across Europe and America as teh people's revolution gains pace and as teh people have teh most powerful man in the world on their side, El Presidente, Donaldismo Ducko

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Alyosha · 02/12/2016 16:54

Italy has high unemployment but the UK doesn't and neither does the USA, yet Trump was elected by a minority in the US. How does that work?

Trump voters are also wealthier than average, which also indicates it's not economics it's something else.

Perhaps the Trump lovers of White supremacism and the alt-reich could enlighten us on what the something else is...

claig · 02/12/2016 16:54

"Goodbye globalization

Since the end of World War II, a commitment to open trade — paired with ironclad security agreements with Japan and NATO — had been the cornerstone of American foreign policy. Last Thursday, those decades of political investments in increasing global integration halted with a simple word: “no.”

That was the answer of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to reporters’ questions on whether the controversial trade deal called the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be brought up for a vote during the lame-duck session of Congress preceding Donald Trump’s inauguration as the 45th president of the United States.
...“It’s clear we’re not going to get deeper globalization right now,” said Chad P. Bown, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “The question is whether we stay where we are or whether there’s a major reversal.”

Obviously, the reason why is the strangely coiffed political whirlwind that rocked the U.S. last week.

news.vice.com/story/heres-what-the-end-of-globalization-looks-like

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squishysquirmy · 02/12/2016 17:11

"While Trump has threatened to use tariffs as a weapon, particularly against China, there’s little indication that barriers to trade will rise immediately upon Trump’s arrival in the White House. So for the moment, trade barriers remain quite low, advocates say, where they might well stay.

“That wouldn’t be the end of the world,” said Bown of the Peterson Institute. “It would be very, very different to reverse all of that and go back to what we had in the 1930s.”

The last paragraph of the article you linked suggests that globalisation will not be reversed so easily...

claig · 02/12/2016 17:12

Trump hasn't changed. He was in blistering form last night on the Thank You Tour for Trump fans. He is still the same old Trump we all love.

"Donald Trump reverts to campaign mode, bashing Clinton and media
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He reminisced, “We did have a lot of fun fighting Hillary, didn’t we?” to chants of “lock her up” while criticizing conservative critics.
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Trump began the rally with broad attacks on what he termed “globalism”.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency,” he said. “We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag.” Trump added: “Global is wonderful, but right now we want to focus on our national community.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/01/donald-trump-victory-tour-ohio-speech-hillary-clinton-media

They all tuned in last night, the globalists and world bleeders, praying for some respite from The Trump tsunami.

But respite was there none. It was the same old Trump Train, a barrel of fun.

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claig · 02/12/2016 17:13

'The last paragraph of the article you linked suggests that globalisation will not be reversed so easily...'

Establishment commentator.

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SouthallGirl · 02/12/2016 17:58

Claig - How is your new computer performing? What make is it and which operating system? I need to get a new one myself but can't face all that copying over of thousands of my files.

claig · 02/12/2016 18:06

It's a HP Pavilion 23 inch all in one. Windows 10. 15% off on Cyber Monday

It is good, but the operating system has locked up a couple of times. Not sure why. Still have to install lots of programs to install on teh new one. I tend to keep my files on USB external drives because years and years ago, I had a PC disk crash on a system drive and I lost a lot of work files etc. So I back up files on external drives and can then use those drives on a new computer if the old one's disk goes down.

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Lweji · 02/12/2016 18:16

Your reaction to SH's article is a nice illustration of the first article I linked to. Thank you.

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