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Trump (Part 3)

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claig · 29/11/2016 16:13

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

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claig · 01/12/2016 08:32

It's possible. Some anti Trump conspiracy theories reckon he is a total puppet, they have him over a barrel, and they will use him to kick off even more wars. It's possible, partcicularly over Iran, which I always thought of from the start, but unlikely, I think.

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claig · 01/12/2016 08:34

I think he may go to war with Iran, and always thought that was a danger. He may be bluffing, we will have to wait and see. But Hillary was even worse and more of a warhawk as Dr Jill Stein warned about Hillary and WWIII.

So you win some, you lose some. Trump is better than Hillary.

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claig · 01/12/2016 08:42

Some analysts are saying that it is all about to start. I don't know what is going on, haven't heard anything on the news, but some theorists in teh States are saying that WWIII is possibly close after Turkey's action in Syria the other day

"President Erdogan Says Turkey Entered Syria to End "Rule of the Cruel Assad"
The Turkish leader issued a swipe at the U.N. and Russian-backed Syria."

europe.newsweek.com/turkeys-erdogan-aims-ending-rule-cruel-assad-526478?rm=eu

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Lweji · 01/12/2016 08:43

We'll see who's more of a war hawk.
But, do you really believe that crap about WW3?

claig · 01/12/2016 08:46

"Declaration Of War? Erdogan Says Turkish Forces Are In Syria To End Assad's Rule
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Ankara was forced to halt air support for its ground incursion into Syria on October 22, after Damascus vowed to shoot down Turkish Air Force planes in Syrian skies, accusing Turkey of violating its national sovereignty. Turkey in turn accused the Syrian Army of attacking FSA fighters in the northern Aleppo province.

The announcement is hardly a surprise, coming just one day after what we reported, is set to be Assad's biggest victory since the start of the Syrian war with the imminent capture of rebel-stronghold Aleppo, and whose eastern part had been some 40% "freed" from militants by Syrian government forces, according to the Russian Defence Ministry.

In light of today's latest statement, which according to some is tantamount to a declaration of war by Turkey against a sovereign state, it is unclear what the Syrian response will be to the NATO member. It is also unclear how Russia - which is alligned with the Assad regime - will respond in light of recent overtures by both Erdogan and Putin to bring relations between the two nations closer."

www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/declaration-war-erdogan-says-turkish-forces-are-syria-end-assads-rule

Do the elites want to kick it off to stop Trump or to force him into it if he gets in or has it all been planned? Is Erdogan serious or is he bluffing?

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Lweji · 01/12/2016 08:46

Iirc, Trump owns shares in a weapons manufacturer.

claig · 01/12/2016 08:50

'But, do you really believe that crap about WW3?'

Absolutely. You have to realise that the banks are on the precipice, that the Renzi vote on Sunday may begin a collapse in Italian banks and threaten the Euro, that the Austrian election (if not rigged) is likely to see the populist right win, that the populists are winning all across Europe and that the elite are desperate as their power is collapsing as the spin they use in the media has collapsed, which is why they are blaming the 16 year old in Macedonia for the whole thing, and political correctness, the thing they use to maintain control, has been destroyed by Donald J Trump.

It is despearate times for the elite.

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Lweji · 01/12/2016 08:51

I hope you have your shelter stocked up, then.

claig · 01/12/2016 08:54

'I hope you have your shelter stocked up, then.'

Nope. There is nothing we can do if the elites decide to do it. We are just the people, we can't do anything about it.

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InformalRoman · 01/12/2016 08:58

claig Tue 01-Nov-16 17:01:32

'Anyone else fearing WWIII??'

No danger of WWIII if Trump wins.

I thought The Donald was going to bring about world peace? Is he not the new Messiah after all?

Southallgirl · 01/12/2016 09:01

Ellison has been appointed head of Democratic Nat Committee.

"Ellison represents the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party, just when the party if it is to win again must move to the center in order to bring back the voters it lost to Trump. The Democrats didn't lose because their candidates weren't left enough. They won the votes of liberals. The radical voters they lost to Jill Stein were small in number and are not likely to be influenced by the appointment of Ellison. The centrist voters they lost to Trump will only be further alienated by the appointment of a left-wing ideologue, who seems to care more about global issues than jobs in Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan. Ellison's selection certainly wouldn't help among Jewish voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania or pro-Israel Christian voters around the country.

"Ellison's sordid past associations with Louis Farrakhan the long time leader of the Nation of Islam will hurt him in Middle America, which has little appetite for Farrakhan's anti-American ravings."

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9460/keith-ellison-the-wrong-man-at-the-wrong-time

claig · 01/12/2016 09:02

'I thought The Donald was going to bring about world peace? '

He is not in power yet. The elites might be trying to stop him. Desperate is their last name. We will have to hope he makes it, gets in and sorts everything out.

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Lweji · 01/12/2016 09:10

Do you REALLY think anyone wants to start WW3? Let alone to stop Trump?
REALLY?

InformalRoman · 01/12/2016 09:15

Upthread you said:

"I think he may go to war with Iran, and always thought that was a danger."

But you also said "no danger of WWIII if Trump wins".

So, will Trump go to war, or not?

Lweji · 01/12/2016 09:15

Also, the elites are already stopping him. It's called the Constitution and the Republican party.

claig · 01/12/2016 09:18

Where have you been?

Trump told you and you and Blair laughed

"They want to start WWIII over Syria. Give me a break"

Of course they want to stop Trump. Have you watched BBC Newsnight and Channel 4 News? They hate Trump and smear him practically every night. The elites are petrified of Trump because he knows their game, is coming for them and doesn't want WWIII over Syria. But he is not in power yet. Soros is battling Trump in America and the elites are blaming everything on this 16 year old in Macedonia wot won it for Trump because American people "thirsty" for Trump news.

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Lweji · 01/12/2016 09:21

But,
Do you REALLY think anyone wants to start WW3? Let alone to stop Trump?
REALLY?

InformalRoman · 01/12/2016 09:23

So, you believe the mystical "they" (I guess that will be the elites, the Oxbridge, the MSM and especially Channel 4, the PPEs) will start a war in Syria to stop Trump?

claig · 01/12/2016 09:31

Of course I do. Have you watched Kubricks' Dr Strangelove ?

Have you read about NATO Supreme Commander Genereal Breedlove and his emails about Obama

'Do not get me into a war': Leaked emails show Obama didn't want to engage with Europe over Russia

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3714987/Leaked-emails-Obama-didn-t-want-engage-Europe-Russia-seen-threat.html

The elites decide if there will be war or not and they are losing power to the people all over Europe and in America, now with Trump. On Sunday, there will probably be another nightmare for them as they are unable to rig the Austrian election.

Of course they want to stop Trump. That is why they are trying to brand any pro Trump news site as "fake news", while simultaneously slagging him off on all mainstream media, and are blaming the 16 year old in Macedonia for the entire Trump Revolution, the people's revolution.

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claig · 01/12/2016 09:36

"They" is the elites. The PPEs etc are just servants, they are not elite.

Trump told you

"They want to start WWIII over Syria. Give me a break!

The whole reason that Trump stood was to defeat the elites, take America back, "take our country back" and reinstate common sense for the good of the "people" and not the "elites".

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InformalRoman · 01/12/2016 09:36

Good grief.

Kaija · 01/12/2016 09:38

These people/elites posts are starting to look like discarded flyers for some cancelled and forgotten event.

claig · 01/12/2016 09:39

'Good grief.'

Absolutely. Now you understand why Trump is so important

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InformalRoman · 01/12/2016 09:50

But it's given me a great business idea. If only there was some type of special headgear available to protect all those worried about the elites starting WWIII to thwart Trump I could make a fortune selling them over the internet.

claig · 01/12/2016 09:50

'So, will Trump go to war, or not?'

I have always said that that is the one danger about Trump, that he may go to war with Iran. I don't know if he will or not, or if he is just bluffing as he often does. But I wouldn't be surprised if Trump does go to war with Iran. That is how things may turn out. It is not a perfect world. But Trump is far better than Hillary who is "bought and paid for".

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