Trump (Part 3)

[claig]

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

'Why didn't anyone think of this before?? Probably the elites stopped them thinking it.'

Absolutely. They didn't care. The elites were all about globalisation and offshoring. Trump is stopping it. One or two Trump rallies with teh Trump fans saying what is going on with the offshoring of jobs and corporate America will do the right thing as Spike Lee said.

Also I think parent company possibly told government contracts may be affected. Trump possibly putting the squeeze on - Art of the Deal.

You are so right, Claig. So glad Trump has a cabinet with no elites in it at all as promised ... oh wait ... is that Elaine Cho, former secretary of labor and wife of the leader of the senate I see - must be a clever plot by Trump to confound the elites by ... doing something obvious that is really something else, probably. Maybe. And that Romney thing, that is just a strategy to humiliate Romney for revenge because that shows true leadership, right?

You cn't run a country without people who know what they are doing. Steve Bannon is Harvard and ex-Goldman Sachs. So what? He is a good guiy. There are good elites and bad elites. Trump is picking clever people but will keep them on a chain.

Romney. What is happening? Fascinating. Clearly Trump is currently humiliating him as he is having to say nice things about Trump. I wouldn't hire Romney, but Trump is smarter than me, maybe if he does hire him, he will be a complete poodle. Have to wait and see how Trump plays him.

You can't run a country without people who know what they are doing.

Really???? Thanks for explaining this to me. Didn't someone else say this recently ..... who was that??

There are good elites and bad elites. It is like reading a YA novel here. I used to get annoyed but now I find it vaguely amusing.

Not so amusing of course for my daughters who are of reproductive age and facing a president who wants to reverse Roe v Wade and healthcare mandated to provide contraception to women. But thems the breaks I suppose.

''America's best days are ahead of us,' Romney says after meeting with Trump'

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/29/americas-best-days-are-ahead-of-us-romney-trump-meeting/94644182/

Trump is playing him for a chump. If I was Trump, I would get him to say all teh good things about Trump and then say to Romney "You're fired", but maybe Trump has some other objective to completely control him.

'Really???? Thanks for explaining this to me.'

Chill out

'I used to get annoyed but now I find it vaguely amusing. '

Why don't you do something else. Chill, you'll feel better

'But thems the breaks I suppose.'

Yep. That's who the American people voted for, you have to get used to what they chose.

Yep. That's who the American people voted for, you have to get used to what they chose.

Seriously? I have to get used to women not having access to abortion because Trump won?

Are you a real person? Still less a woman?

No I'm a bot. Something like 44% of American women voted for him and the majority of white women did, so they saw it differently to you.

No I'm a bot. Something like 44% of American women voted for him and the majority of white women did, so they saw it differently to you.

so if the majority votes to take citizenship away from jewish people that is ok because the people have spoken? Do you have any subtlety to your thought process at all?

How on earth can you be so dismissive of an issue that will likely affect the health and lives of woman - mostly poor woman? Do you have any imagination? Any sense of what it might be like to live in rural texas without a dollar to your name and be told that the only option for an abortion is in New York? I presume you are sitting in the UK where YOUR reproductive rights are unassailled.

Don't bother answering. I'll not bother any more either. You are so caught up in your adolescent battle of elites and non elites that you lack any compassion or understanding of the real issues facing the country I live in (you don't) and the people who are struggling in it.

'Do you have any subtlety to your thought process at all?'

No, I'm thick

'Do you have any imagination? '

None at all

'I'll not bother any more either. '

Good

I agree with the majority of white women, who voted for Trump, and many Latino and black women, like the Stump for Trump Sisters. They have as much right to vote for who they wanted as you in the country they live in.

"Trump Won The Presidency and This Retired Female Marine Knows Exactly Why
...
Duff believes many women voters spurned former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton because they object to political correctness, open borders, unscreened refugees, and the poorly-countered “war on police” by radical left groups.

Duff says many women felt a Clinton win compromised the real safety of their own families.

This passionate Trump surrogate independently busts up the impression of polarization in politics and identity politics as antithetical to America. She says, “We are not white, black, and Asian Americans. We are red, white and blue Americans.”

newsline.com/trump-won-the-presidency-and-this-retired-female-marine-knows-exactly-why/

Pallisers, am I right that Trump isnt the first President who has sparked controvesy surrounding Roe v Wade? Wasnt your position argued with Reagan and his appointments? Then George Bush? Of course its a thorny thorny issue, complicated by variances at state level, whereas here in the UK we have very clear guidelines almost nationwide. (Excluding Northern Ireland)

Im not sure its an issue that ever has an easy black and white answer nor is the issue of access to healthcare/sexual healthcare as simplistic as you portray it, quite simply because of how your state and federal law systems are set up. I just dont think this is an issue that is unique to Trump, indeed, if my understandings right, various states have implemented their own laws to protect against Roe v Wade being overturned, long before Trump was even on anyones radar.

You are right though, I am a UK resident, but the pro life movement has been as active here as it has in the US. Northern Ireland is also our exception. The laws on abortion there are far tighter and far more restrictive as here on mainland UK. Do we have poorer, disadvataged women in Northern Ireland? Yes we do.

Btw, a lesson in gaslighing and fake news.

The scary story about "if the workforce continues to go down at this rate"
Check the graph.
The scary story was for May, when it had gone down, but then it went up again. A small blip in the whole year.
Of course claig wouldn't want to report it while going up and no stories about if it went up at this rate, everybody will be working.
Either would be wrong. Indicators go up and down all the time in the space of one month, even a year.
Serious reporting and discussion must look at more general trends.

If such short sighted analysis and reasoning was used in a scientific paper, it would be immediately rejected by the reviewers. But news stories are not peer reviewed. We have to look it up ourselves or read from different sources (ahem) to get a more accurate picture.

Forgot the graph

'We have to look it up ourselves or read from different sources (ahem) to get a more accurate picture.'

I believe that Trump has looked at "different sources".

You can also believe in fairies. They don't become real.

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate

Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States decreased to 62.80 percent in October from 62.90 percent in September of 2016. Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States averaged 63.00 percent from 1950 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 67.30 percent in January of 2000 and a record low of 58.10 percent in December of 1954.

It's currently at the average rate of the last 50 years?

Or does Trump have some secret magic figures to spin?

It's like earlier, you should have checked on EU and zero hours contracts. While some countries do have them, it's few, and certainly not a case of corporate heaven. Worker protection in many EU countries is greater than in the UK, with strong unions. Now, I can see that it's not necessarily a good thing either, because it can cause many problems of a different sort, but it is certainly not as in your rant.
So, before saying "I don't know but I imagine it to be in a certain way" and go off on a rant about it, look it up. Or just say you don't know.
It would save you many red faces.
And falling for gaslighing news and demagogues.

Sometimes I get things wrong. It is rare, but it happens, like when I voted for Blair.

Sometimes?

Sadly, you'll only realise how wrong you are when it is too late.