Trump (Part 3)

[claig]

The last one filled up quickly.

More discussion on the significance of Trump, Trumpism and the Trumpsters and what it all means for Blairites.

And you know this for certain, no doubts at all because......?

'And you know this for certain, no doubts at all because......?'

Common sense, understand the big picture which is why I predicted Trump would win and Blair doesn't "understand" politics any more. I agree with Jeremy Corbyn's brother, the esteemed astrophysicist, Dr Piers Corbyn.

One "astrophysicist" no matter how esteemed, or how nice his brother, is isn't enough to convince me I'm afraid.

We don't yet know how brave Trump will be, how much of the truth he will reveal. The elites are very, very scared because if Trump decides to reveal the real truth, the people will be shocked to learn they have been tricked and lied to and spun over lots and lots of things.

If Trump selects them, by definition they are the "good 'uns"

Circular arguments, darling.
First you have to accept Trump is a good person, but all evidence is against that idea. (And no, quoting him in his political speeches doesn't count as evidence, and neither does your biased interpretation of them)

'One "astrophysicist" no matter how esteemed, or how nice his brother, is isn't enough to convince me I'm afraid.'

That's OK. You don't believe in conspiracies and probably believe what the Guardian says. Everyone has a different understanding of what is really going on in the world. Wikileaks revealed just a fraction of what really happens, but there is much, much more like that in reality.

Claig, just for the record, you are stupefyingly wrong about this. But I think you know this really.

Even Trump acknowledges climate change. When it suits him:

www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436

'Navy Veteran’s Home Torched and Vandalized with Anti-Trump Graffiti

Navy veteran Matthew Smith returned home after spending the night with relatives to find his house in Plant City, Fla., heavily damaged by fire and vandalized with obscene anti-Donald Trump graffiti. Smith believes his home was targeted because of his support for Trump.

“It’s not what I expected out of America,” Smith told a local Fox affiliate. “It should be us figuring problems out together. Not one side against the other.”

heatst.com/politics/veteran-home-trump/

You will never hear that on the BBC. Imagine if it was the other way round, the entire mainstream media would run it for days and days. That is how the spinners work and try to influence the people. Well done to Lousie Mensch, who was a NeverTrumper and on the losing side, to give it publicity.

'Claig, just for the record, you are stupefyingly wrong about this'

I'm not, but we will have to agree to disagree.

And if you dont agree with climate change, regardless of how eminent you may be in any field you are run off TV and never asked to appear again. That's real tolerance of difference isnt it?

"Imagine if it was the other way round, the entire mainstream media would run it for days and days."

It is the other way round, and I have seen nothing about it on mainstream media.

usuncut.com/politics/trump-supporters-genocide-muslims/

"And if you dont agree with climate change, regardless of how eminent you may be in any field you are run off TV and never asked to appear again. That's real tolerance of difference isnt it?"

Difference of opinion is great. But on matters of science you can't weigh up opinions against research and call it equal.

Would you want a GP that believed you could cure cancer with homeopathy?

I've not run anyone off TV, South- like I said earlier, I don't think you even have to
Be 100% convinced by climate change to want to do something about it.... It's a hell of a risk to take on a hunch.

I think I've tried to ascertain what is it that Trump denies.
Climate change is real and it can't be denied.
What has been disputed is if it's human made or natural.
Having said that, even if it's largely natural, releasing green house gases to the atmosphere only makes it worse.
Sadly, burying your head in the sand won't help, and as there are many years of delay between the increase in GHG and temperature, by the time you finally concede, it will be too late and the consequences devastating for many populations and your children.
We have a shot at it now and if Trump messes with what little has been achieved, then we, and mainly our children, will be truly fucked up.
Never before humanity has had to deal with such a fast and significant temperature increase.

Do me a favour, you need to understand Conspiracy Theory 101. You don't really believe that is Trump supporters, do you? Did you follow any of the Wikileaks stuff? Don't you realise how they work?

Trump told you

"they will lie, lie, lie"

As you will lie, lie, lie.

And as trump has lied, lied, lied

So: against Trump, conspiracy.
For Trump, pure truth.

It's a nice place to be in. Lala land.

'So: against Trump, conspiracy.
For Trump, pure truth.'

Yep. That is what Wikileaks showed.

And here are some more "they did it to themselves" incidents for you.

www.google.co.uk/amp/fusion.net/story/369091/donald-trump-racist-incidents-since-election/amp/?client=safari

And here's some "pure truth"

www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/20/fact-checking-the-third-clinton-trump-presidential-debate/?0p19G=c&utm_term=.28c74dcd9091

'And here are some more "they did it to themselves" incidents for you.'

"Hate Hoax: Student Charged for Claiming Rock Attack by Trump Fans

A black, female Bowling Green State University student allegedly fabricated a hate crime story about white, male President-Elect Donald Trump supporters attacking her on campus and is now being charged for faking a police report.

The day after Trump’s presidential victory, Eleesha Long told Bowling Green police that she had been attacked by three men wearing Trump gear who “began to throw rocks” at her, according to ABC13.
...
In one text message, Long said about Trump supporters “should take an IQ test to vote,” while a couple other messages said “I hope they all get AIDS” and “I haven’t met a decent Trump supporter yet.”

Long is now being charged for falsifying a police report and obstructing official business, which she will have to appear in court for."

www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/21/hate-hoax-student-charged-claiming-rock-attack-trump-fans/

And some more pure truth:

www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

And you see you could only find one. In Breitbart.

There are lots, lots more. It is the same as after Brexit, with Channel 4 News reporting on all these stories about racist Brexit supporters.