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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

Almost comes full circle to the link in the op doesn't it? Which you criticised with the words: He thinks that human history is based on cycles i.e. no free will essentially and predetermined outcomes reoccur at regular cyclical intervals. But this is wrong...
So do things run in cycles, or not?

Chris: So why so keen to defend him? Why, when we try to talk about his worrying policies, temperament and ignorance do you start trying to derail things with "Blair! Chilcott! Snoopers charter!"

Sorry - have just realised it was Chris who posted that link, not craig. Was too busy shitting myself at the teriffying description of a people's revolution.

'Ah so the elites are all communists too?'

The elites are for rigged markets, rigged elections, rigged polls, rigged media, monopoly control, impeding competition and growth and maintaining wealth for the 0.7 %. They don't want competition, they don't want social mobility, they don't want the people to prosper and challenge them. So they like all forms of Big Brother control, "regulation" of the media so that the people only receive the "truth" that their teams say.

One way of restricting the people's freedom and limiting competition and making sure that the people don't vote against the interests of the elites is to remove people's freedoms by communism, so that is only one of the ways that they exercise control. They want world government and globalism and that is why they are so frightened of Trump because his motto was

"Americanism not globalism"

and he said

"we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism"

When they tuned into one of Trump's rallies and heard Trump say that, and watched the Trump fans go nuts, they panicked and called a crisis meeting of their "teams" and decided that the only thing they had left was "to throw everything they had at Trump", which they duly did, and the rest is history as Trump laughed in their face and the American people beat the lot of them. They are currently in disarray, the media is spinning against Trump like crazy and Jon Snow has lost the plot, which is no different to his usual self. That is how bad the situation is for the elites.

"Global Wealth Update: 0.7% Of Adults Control $116.6 Trillion In Wealth

Today Credit Suisse released its latest annual global wealth report, which traditionally lays out what is perhaps the biggest reason for the recent "anti-establishment" revulsion: an unprecedented concentration of wealth among a handful of people, as shown in its infamous global wealth pyramid, an arrangement which as observed by the "shocking" political backlash of the past few months suggests that the lower 'levels' of the pyramid are increasingly unhappy about. "

www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/global-wealth-update-07-adults-hold-1166-trillion-net-assets

Trump has put a spanner in their works and has set their feathers flying. They are up against the ropes. Trump called the media in on Monday and gave them a piece of his mind and from leaked reports it was not pretty. Reports said "it was a f...ing firing squad". That is only the start of what Trump plans to do to them.

Fasten your seatbelts, the next four years are going to be one helluva ride and the people are in the driving seat.

Sorry you went into spirit medium mode again - it's a bit hypnotising. What was your actual point?

'Your link certainly makes revolutions sound fun'

What link are you talking about so I can read it.

'What was your actual point?'

That one form of control that elites like is communism, but that Trump has got their number and is ending globalism and promoting "Americanism not globalism" which is why it is game over for the elites and their teams.

Claig: It was Chrisnumber's post, I mistook it for yours, and apologised for the mistake up thread.

"Almost comes full circle to the link in the op doesn't it? Which you criticised with the words: He thinks that human history is based on cycles i.e. no free will essentially and predetermined outcomes reoccur at regular cyclical intervals. But this is wrong...
So do things run in cycles, or not?"

Whose this aimed at squishy? Who are you quoting here? (gosh youre making this really difficult to keep up)

Cross post Chris? I thought Claig had posted your link. It directly conflicted with a post he made right at the beginning of the thread, which I quoted.
Does that help?

"Chris: So why so keen to defend him? "

Because, as Ive said before, you dont send the Dalai Lama in to sort out the corruption in the US politics. Trump is an American solution to an American problem. Damn right I would have voted for him.

'Whose this aimed at squishy? Who are you quoting here?'Whose this aimed at squishy? Who are you quoting here?'

That was my criticism of the Project Fear stuff used in Brexit and everywhere else they try to fool the people, in the article in the OP.

"that sort of anti-intellectualism boils my piss."

For goodness sake. It's not everyone in academia or religion. Religion has always been a useful tool of control. It need not be, but it has been.

"The proportion of far left academics in British universities is completely out of proportion with national population norms. An example? A leading prof at King's London, a Professor of European Studies, has been on the leadership of the Trotskyite Socialist Workers Party since the 1970s. He has been hugely influential in the lives of hundreds of students. The political indoctrination of students under the guise of university teaching has gone unchallenged in British academia for far too long."

www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?_r=1

Sorry Claig still can't make sense of it. Could you define elite for us again? I understand it doesn't include billionaire fraudsters but does include communists and people who went to University (does that include Trump Uni?), although doesn't include Tories who went to University as long as they say they don't like experts, but I'm afraid beyond that I'm lost.

"Your link certainly makes revolutions sound fun
quote: A first generation of daring rebels overthrows a fossilized establishment and leaves the landscape littered with ruins. In the post-revolutionary era, the rebels begin to fight among themselves, which may lead to persecutions and assassinations. The victorious survivor then rules like the tyrants who were toppled in the first place"

Squishy, only you can dismiss a paper written by Camille Paglia with one of your throw aways....

Shes earned a tad more respect than that.

'Could you define elite for us again? '

The elite are the 0.7% of the population that control more wealth than billions of people combined. They install puppets and communists to rule for them in order to keep the people down and to prevent them challenging them.

This all sounds like the Squishy & Kaija Show. Turgid.

Southallgirl: "The proportion of far left academics in British universities is completely out of proportion with national population norms."
So what do you want to do about it? have some sort of quota system when employing academics in universities to make sure that their political beliefs correspond to population as a whole? How would this be implemented?

'Shes earned a tad more respect than that.'

Agree, Chris, Camille Paglia is excellent and that is a very good article on political correctness that Tropezianne posted originally

Sounds like you've got Donald firmly in the middle of your elites there.

It wasn't a throw away comment.
I was pointing out that the (very long) paper you linked to - like the one posted by Claig in the very first post does not glorify revolutions.

Southall I was trying to engage with you. I'm actually genuinely interested to know what your alternative vision is and how it might work.

If I get T-shirts printed with "screeching anti-Trump mob" on the front, do you think "the Squishy & Kaija show" would look good on the back?

Kaija, can you tell me what the solution is to the discrepancy in the political beliefs of academics compared to the population as a whole?

I am particularly interested in the media control question, Southall, as that is one of the most concerning things about Trump to my mind (in a crowded field).