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"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

'It is indeed the death throes of the MSM.'

Yes, except they are desperately trying to pretend that they represent the "truth" even after they told us all that Trump had an 8% chance of winning the election and everyone of any importance called him an "unfit" dimwit as well as a racist, misogynist, homophobic bully and ogre.

On the BBC, they have been having reports about how social media should be "regulated" in order for people to receive the truth. It's like Orwell's Big Brother with the "Ministry of Truth" supplying the truth that Clinton is great and Trump is a racist. But the problem they have is that Trump is in power and he has bypassed the lot of them by going direct to social media because he knows that they are in the pockets of his opponents.

Anyway, it turns out all these kids in Macedonia have been making megabucks by setting up fake pro-Trump news sites with stories like "pope endorses Trump" etc etc.

Stories aimed at the left just don't have the same traction apparently, so aren't worth doing financially.

www.channel4.com/news/fake-news-in-macedonia-who-is-writing-the-stories

www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.ufM1xY9Q3#.siKmKj6aq

'And yet you are such a fan of May and Johnson.'

I am a fan of Theresa May, not particularly Johnson who called Trump "unfit".

'Claig did you not see the part about the fake news creators in Macedonia? It was fascinating.'

Yes, it was desperate mainstream media stuff trying to prove that they are the "truth". The Macedonians didn't even speak good English. All their "fake" stories are in perfect English because they mainly emanate from teh US, presumably, as they contain the same stuff as is all over US sites, and the Macedonians presumably just repost it and get some advertising revenue if anyone clicks on those sites.

Channel 4 had to go over to Macedonia to do the report when they should probably have gone to America as the stories were in perfect English, otherwise Amricans wouldn't read them, and they probably come from there. But that doesn't fit the aim of the report, that American voters are being fooled about how to vote due to some 16 year olds in Macedonia who can't even speak good English.

Channel 4 at its finest. Jon Snow, serious face, reporting to the people.

Why doesn't Trump just tweet "White supremacists and neo-Nazis have no place in a civilised America. VERY NASTY PEOPLE"?

Macedonia. Global hub for Trump misinfo.

As Trump would say "Give me a break". They think people are stupid.

Anyone who followed the news knows that the Pope had a go at Trump and said building a wall was not Christian. But it didn't succeed in stopping Trump. Nothing the global elite did succeeded in stopping Trump.

'Why doesn't Trump just tweet "White supremacists and neo-Nazis have no place in a civilised America. VERY NASTY PEOPLE"?'

Because it goes without saying. He doesn't need to, particularly as the media teams insinuate that he supports them. He never jumps to an agenda that the media teams force on him. He has nothing to do with white supremacists and disavows them when he is asked by the media directly.

"Channel 4 at its finest", yes I agree. It was very good.

Some of the contents of the Macedonian fake news sites well have reposted from US sites - it's happening there too:

www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

Equally, it may not have been those particular 17 year old Macedonians doing the writing. Troll business is big business as you know:

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

Oh dear oh dear Jon Snow. That is desperate. At least Sky had the decency to laugh at themselves last week. They did a piece on the 'fake news' and the whole facebook/twitter thing, before asking for viewers opinions to be sent to.......their facebook/twitter accounts

Fake news is nothing new, yet suddenly, Trump voters (of all people) are indeed stupid enough to believe aliens abducted Elvis

'Equally, it may not have been those particular 17 year old Macedonians doing the writing. Troll business is big business as you know:

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house'

Yes, Channel 4 News expectedly slipped in something about Russians for viewers who are easily misled and think Putin is behind everything from running Julian Assange, dishing the dirt on Hillary and winning the election for Trump who is apparently in Putin's pocket according to some of our finest media hacks.

Macedonia. Global hub for Trump misinfo.

They think people were born yesterday. Not even George Orwell could have dreamed up what some of these media teams make up.

Nothing desperate about it.

More on fake news:

www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/16/13659840/facebook-fake-news-chart

Which part specifically did you think wasn't true?

'Fake news is nothing new, yet suddenly, Trump voters (of all people) are indeed stupid enough to believe aliens abducted Elvis '

Absolutely. It was "fake news" wot won it, not the genuine news in the Sun about Freddy Starr eating his hamster. It's those stupid 1984 proles who supported Trump and were too thick to know that the Pope didn't endorse Trump but had been having a go at him for a long time over the Wall that the elite hate, particularly as Trump is going to make Mexico pay for it and Vicente Fox said "we are not going to pay for that f...ing wall' which of course they will have to.

Only Big Brother and the "Ministry of Truth" can be allowed to report in future elections or the proles will keep voting for Trump and not do as Big Brother wants. As Tony Bliar said, the people people can't be trusted with making a "sensible choice" over the EU. Only Big Brother and his media shills and hacks should be allowed to inform the proles about how they should vote.

"He doesn't need to, particularly as the media teams insinuate that he supports them."

He doesn't need to say lots of things he tweets. Doesn't stop him. He doesn't appear to have much of a filter. So, why not just do it - quell people's anxieties?

'Which part specifically did you think wasn't true?'

Near enough every part. Teh Macedonians couldn't even speak good English. They needed what looked like a Big Brother supplied Channel 4 translator to explain the interviewer's questions to them, the 16 year olds.

Yep, there was fake news before, but it was easier to spot as it had "The Sun", "The Express", "The Mail" or "The Weekly World News" at the top.

Why would the quality of their English make any difference? They were computer scientists, and may or may not have been doing the writing.

' He doesn't appear to have much of a filter. So, why not just do it - quell people's anxieties?'

Because no one controls Trump, he is not a "career politician", he is not "politically correct", he is not a spinner and he doesn't spin, which is precisely why he is so different from every other "career politician" on the planet and explains why he is so popular and hy he won.

So if a "spin doctor" from Oxbridge says to him that it would be a good idea if he tweeted how he loves kittens, he won't do it. He is not like Cameron. That is why Trump is so popular.

'They were computer scientists, and may or may not have been doing the writing.'

They clearly weren't writing them because they couldn't string an English sentence together and although the Channel 4 News reporter (flown over to Macedonia at God knows what expense) told the viewers that these were computer whizzkids, the 16 year olds looked like they knew how to use a free website package and were able to post US articles from US sites on their websites. It didn't look like rocket science, and as for Macedonia, this village with teh 16 year olds being a global hub for Trump disinfo wot won the election for Trump because Trump voters are thick as two planks, it was a laughable Channel 4 at its finest bit of reporting.

It was almost worthy of the title "fake news".

Someone is having a laugh, and my guess is they are from Oxbridge.

"Yep, there was fake news before, but it was easier to spot as it had "The Sun", "The Express", "The Mail" or "The Weekly World News" at the top."

And now it has , The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Economist, BBC, etc. Youre right, its a minefield out there. Youd have thought seeing actual transcripts of communications from within, direct from the horses mouth, would have given them plenty to get their teeth into? Go figure.

Heres another beautiful moment, when MSNBC were attempting to identity profile a "typical trump voter" as racist, ignorant, white supremacist .........enjoy. The host nearly chokes afterwards. Darn It! Dont you just hate it when the truth trips you up.

'"Yep, there was fake news before, but it was easier to spot as it had "The Sun", "The Express", "The Mail" or "The Weekly World News" at the top."

And now it has , The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Economist, BBC, etc'

Absolutely brilliant

and they know that the people all know now which is why ther spin gets ever more desperate as they all pile into Trump and pretend they tell teh "truth" after all telling us that Trump didn't stand a cat in hell's chance.

They interviewed a woman on the street in Amerca after the election and she supported Hillary and she said she was angry at the media because they all lied to the public by saying that Trump had no chance and then he went and won.

The lies were deliberate, the spin was deliberate, they are hacks and everyone now knows it.

Actually his spin doctors should do it on their iPhones.

Fascinating analysis of "his" and his tweets here Warning: data experts involved.

"Every non-hyperbolic tweet is from iPhone (his staff).

Every hyperbolic tweet is from Android (from him)."

Absolutely, SwedishEdith, some of Trump's staff have hacked his account and they post the politically correct tweetes that ll Trump fans skip over and ignore. Trump fans only read the "hyperbolic tweets" from Trump himself because they are "real" and not "spin".

It is the old saying "Let Trump be Trump", "Give Trump his twitter account back".

Well I'll agree with you on the Telegraph, although their gardening pages are better than most.

No idea what your problem was with the Macedonian segment on Channel 4 news. Except of course that it doesn't fit your own very meticulously prescribed narrative.

The Macedonian segment is the mainstream spinners' attempt to claim that Trump only won because of "lies" and "fake news" (that apparently some 16 year olds in a village in Macedonia who can't string an English sentence together cooked up). The idea of the spinners is to claim that Trump's win is somehow not legitimate because it was based on "lies" and "fake news".

It is exactly the same tactic that our finest Oxbridge teams. MPs, the 172 and their candidate, Owen Banter, use about Brexit - the "lie" they tell us about on the big red bus about the £350 million. Owen and the teams suggest that the public, the proles, were too stupid to realise that this was a "lie" and some of the more brazen ones among them therefore suggest that we should have another referendum without the "lies", and only their exaggerations about "war in Europe", "the end of Western Civilization" and a "Punishment Budget", so that the proles vote in a "sensible" way i.e for the best interests of the elites.

They are getting more and more desperate, the more they lose teh trust of teh public, so they say that the public is being "lied" to and they are the guardians of the "truth" because they are the "experts" and the proles are too thick to decide ther own future.

Unfortunately for the teams, the problem they have is that Trump is in power in the most powerful and important country on the planet and Trump is on the side of the people. That is why the people are laughing and the elites are desperate. They can't take our liberties away and remove our democracy and censor our news reports because Trump is on our side, the side of the people, and he bypasses the mainstream media, cals them "liars" and speaks directly to the people on social media.