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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

PacificDogwod, Trump said "we are led by very, very stupid people, very, very stupid people".

Well those days are over. Trump is now in charge and just watch how fast things get sorted out.

World leaders have all been watching the Trump youtube video where he said it and they all saw how the biggest media onslaught ever seen against a political candidate failed and that the elite and all their teams were powerless against Trump and the people, and they won't want their own people to realise that they are led by "very, very stupid people" too, so they will get smart and go along with Trump very fast.

Yeah...

BTW, who are the "people" again?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/trump-tax-plan-cuts-wealthy-low-income-inequality

"Trump's tax plan: massive cuts for the 1% will usher 'era of dynastic wealth'
More than eight million low-income and single-parent families will face sharp tax increases under Donald Trump exacerbating income inequality," experts warn

Trump said "we are led by very, very stupid people, very, very stupid people".

I think he meant it as a prediction. :)

'What kind of business deals with Russia? I'm curious.'

I don't know the ins and outs of what Trump will do, but I do think he will normalise relations and get on with Russia and do joint space stuff and trade etc instead of war. He is a businessman, he likes business, not war. He is not a "career politician" and he wants the best for the American people, and other people across the world, just as he wants an end to teh suffering of the Syrian people that the elites allowed to go on for 6 years.

"TRUMP: I think going in was a terrible, terrible mistake. Syria, we have to solve that problem because we are going to just keep fighting, fighting forever. I have a different view on Syria than everybody else. Well, not everybody else, but then a lot of people. I had to listen to [Senator] Lindsey Graham, who, give me a break. I had to listen to Lindsey Graham talk about, you know, attacking Syria and attacking, you know, and it’s like you’re now attacking Russia, you’re attacking Iran, you’re attacking. And what are we getting? We’re getting — and what are we getting? And I have some very definitive, I have some very strong ideas on Syria. I think what’s happened is a horrible, horrible thing. To look at the deaths, and I’m not just talking deaths on our side, which are horrible, but the deaths — I mean you look at these cities, Arthur, where they’re totally, they’re rubble, massive areas, and they say two people were injured. No, thousands of people have died. O.K. And I think it’s a shame. And ideally we can get — do something with Syria. I spoke to Putin, as you know, he called me, essentially …"

www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=0

It is a new world. Trump is not a "career politician", he wants to end pointless suffering and destruction. He is not "bought and paid for" and no elites control him, so all the crap will be over because Trump has the power to stop it very quickly indeed.

Let's wait and see how the media teams report when he solves all the crap that has been going on for years. They won't give him any credit, the teams will call him a "fascist", but the people will see what liars the teams all are.

do joint space stuff

They already are.

I even think that Trump will pull off a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Trump will go down in history as one of the most amazing Presidents ever, and all the teams of liars in the media will still be slagging him off for their elite bosses who are angry that he beat the lot of them.

do joint space stuff

As long as they play nicely together.

This is all an entertaining game for you by the sounds of it.

TRUMP: I would love to be able to be the one that made peace with Israel and the Palestinians. I would love that, that would be such a great achievement. Because nobody’s been able to do it.

HABERMAN: Do you think he can be part of that?

TRUMP: Well, I think he’d be very good at it. I mean he knows it so well. He knows the region, knows the people, knows the players. I would love to be — and you can put that down in a list of many things that I’d like to be able to do. Now a lot of people tell me, really great people tell me, that it’s impossible, you can’t do it. I’ve had a lot of, actually, great Israeli businesspeople tell me, you can’t do that, it’s impossible. I disagree, I think you can make peace. I think people are tired now of being shot, killed. At some point, when do they come? I think we can do that. I have reason to believe I can do that.

'This is all an entertaining game for you by the sounds of it.'

Believe me, it's not "entertaining" to reply to you in good faith and then be insulted by you, but I'm used to it by now.

Surreal but compelling.

I am trying very hard to not insult you, claig, but your repeated posting of slogans, stipulating conjecture as fact and persistent lack of engaging in any of the counter arguments does wear a bit thin after a while.

Like other posters I am not actually debating with you, but with those who might be lurking and who may be attracted to the simple world view you are so enthusiastically proselytising.

I believe it is vitally important to make quite clear that many, many people don't hold the views you seem to support. And think they are at best misguided and at worst dangerous, self-serving and bad. Yes, that is a moral judgement.

Well at least you aren't calling me a troll and a bot now, so that is an improvement. I reply to all questions in good faith, but don't bother asking me any more, so I don't have to waste time on your ones so you won't need to try "very hard to not insult" me any more.

Hmm. Seems like an awful lot of people are not buying the "people's" revolution, and are putting their money where their mouths are:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/jill-stein-election-recount-fund-michigan-wisconsin-pennsylvania?CMP=sharebtnn_tw

Trump's putting 'world peace' on his To Do list is encouraging, I suppose. Perhaps he could start with the far right groups in America and convince them to have a love-in with their fellow citizens.

'Perhaps he could start with the far right groups in America and convince them to have a love-in with their fellow citizens.'

GlassCircles, those groups are insignificant - a few thousand people out of 320 million. The media are hyping them and reporting on them now to try to knock Trump, but they have been around forever and have been saying and doing the same stuff. They are no threat to America at all, they have no power and David Duke came 7th in his Senate election.

Okay, perhaps more accurately I should have said 'racist, homophobic and sexist thinkers throughout the land who are feeling empowered by Trump'.

'Trump's putting 'world peace' on his To Do list is encouraging'

Trump wants to go down in history like a Lincoln or George Washington. He didn't have to do this, he had a great life, he is not a "career politician", he chose to do it to do great things for the American people and for the world. In 4 years time, we will all look back and be amazed by what he did. This is not politicas as usual. He doesn't work for the Party, he work for the people. The Republican Party tried to stop him, their elite bosses hated him, he is not beholden to any of them or to anyone. That is why he is so different, that is why he will do great things.

And after him, I predict that his son Donald Trump Jr will become President because he has the same love for the people and the zeal and energy to sort things out and because as he says he is "sick of politicians on both sides" just like the people are too.

' 'racist, homophobic and sexist thinkers throughout the land who are feeling empowered by Trump'.'

They will all be disappointed if they think Trump is on their side.

As Trump said about Steve Bannon whom the BBC and the media reports as being accused of being a "white supremacist" etc

TRUMP: Um, I’ve known Steve Bannon a long time. If I thought he was a racist, or alt-right, or any of the things that we can, you know, the terms we can use, I wouldn’t even think about hiring him. First of all, I’m the one that makes the decision, not Steve Bannon or anybody else. And Kellyanne will tell you that.

[laughter]

KELLYANE CONWAY: 100 percent.

TRUMP: And if he said something to me that, in terms of his views, or that I thought were inappropriate or bad, number one I wouldn’t do anything, and number two, he would have to be gone. But I know many people that know him, and in fact, he’s actually getting some very good press from a lot of the people that know him, and people that are on the left. But Steve went to Harvard, he was a, you know, he was very successful, he was a Naval officer, he’s, I think he’s very, very, you know, sadly, really, I think it’s very hard on him. I think he’s having a hard time with it. Because it’s not him. It’s not him.

Trump wants to go down in history like a Lincoln or George Washington. He didn't have to do this, he had a great life, he is not a "career politician", he chose to do it to do great things for the American people and for the world.

Where has Trump ever shown any interest in anybody else but himself?
Where? Seriously. I would love to be shown the error of my impression of a bumbling, rich, spoilt toddler of a man who wants what he wants, and wants it now.

'Where has Trump ever shown any interest in anybody else but himself?'

i hour ago on twitter on the Thanksgiving Holiday, Donald J Trump

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

They will all be disappointed if they think Trump is on their side.
TRUMP: Um, I’ve known Steve Bannon a long time. If I thought he was a racist, or alt-right, or any of the things that we can, you know, the terms we can use, I wouldn’t even think about hiring him.

That doesn't really prove he's not racist or alt-righ.

But Steve went to Harvard, he was a, you know, he was very successful, he was a Naval officer, he’s, I think he’s very, very, you know, sadly, really, I think it’s very hard on him. I think he’s having a hard time with it. Because it’s not him. It’s not him.

Did you really want to transcribe that bit?

I even think that Trump will pull off a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.

Ah, claig. It's endearing, really.

Of course, lawyers and Harvard and Yale graduates don't count as "elites" in the US (let me see, that would include Pence, Carson, Giugliani, Sessions, Pompeo and Priebus).

Unlike Oxford and Cambridge graduates and lawyers in the UK?

It is, isn't it, Lweji.

In what way Trump is not one of the Establishment, I don't understand.

And there are many people working today in the U.S.
I bet he is doing what he would have done had he not won the election.
I remain to be convinced that he can look beyond self-interest and how his business interests affect The People - they have never been a consideration for him before.

squishy I was referring to the screeching coming from all the protestors in USA. Running in the street, causing upset and damage ... there are better democrat ways to behave than that.