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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

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"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

And Trump will end the Syrian war and Isis overnight. All Hillary Benn's and the so-called socialists' or Establishment socialists and Blairites' posturing will be as nothing compared to the action that Trump will take to bring peace.

Thankyou Claig. I think this is where we struggle you see. I could never support a President who held those views. I can only have contempt for a man who holds those views. I would have to change my whole belief set to feel otherwise. I think what makes me uneasy is that some Trump supporters seem to be saying' we won you have to think like us' . I can't and won't. I am not disagreeing with Trump because I have been brainwashed by an elite media conspiracy, this is who I am. It gets quite tiring having to keep explaining that. To you the apology makes it ok , or the issue is just not that important to you. To me it affects how I view all his policies. He may be the voice of the people but not the voice of this person. I am not in a panic over lack of control by the elites, I am just utterly sad that a man who holds those beliefs can be President. Thankyou for answering my question though.

"He didn't incite violence. he was joking. He said he would pay the legal expenses of anyone who thumped the protestors. But Trump fans didn't take him literally while the media teams took him literally."..... except for the fans who didn't realise it was a joke and did thump protestors.

Conspiracy theories: So Ted Cruz's dad was involved with the Kennedy assasination?

Bannon's "newspaper" has run headlines comparing feminism to cancer. Trump's actions show he cares little for women's or civil rights, and he has advocated breaking the Geneva convention several times.

And Trump most certainly does not think that the media has a right to criticise him.

He wants to expand the US nuclear arsenal and has made comments like "why can't we nuke them?" Maybe it was just another joke though. Ha-de-ha-de-ha!
'Are you able to answer any of those without mentioning the "establishment" the "elite" "Oxbridge" "Stump for Trump sisters" "spin" or "PPE". : big fat no then.

And Trump will end the Syrian war and Isis overnight.

Do you have an approximate date for this overnight event? How will he do it?

'I could never support a President who held those views. I can only have contempt for a man who holds those views. I would have to change my whole belief set to feel otherwise. I think what makes me uneasy is that some Trump supporters seem to be saying' we won you have to think like us' .'

That's fine, you can support Hllary or the 172 etc. It is a free country. You don't have to think like Trump fans, and equally they don't need to think like you or Hillary etc It is about freedom and democracy.

'I am not in a panic over lack of control by the elites'

I never said you were in panic. I said the Oxbridge teams at the Guardian and their elite mates are in panic over Trump which is why they are blatantly spinning lies about him.

'Conspiracy theories: So Ted Cruz's dad was involved with the Kennedy assasination?'

It looks like his dad was in a photo with Leee Harvey Oswald. We don''t know the full story.

'Bannon's "newspaper" has run headlines comparing feminism to cancer. Trump's actions show he cares little for women's or civil rights, and he has advocated breaking the Geneva convention several times.'

I think those articles were by Milo who is deliberately provocative in order to wind people up over political correctness. He does it satirically, it is not meant "literally" and the reason he likes Trump the most is because Trump also bursts the bubble of political correctness.

Trump has said lots of contradictory things. You can't take what he says "literally".

'And Trump most certainly does not think that the media has a right to criticise him.'

Trump bullies them and scolds them and disrespects them instead of vice versa. But it is up to them to counter Trump if they can. He owes them nothing as they continually try to smear him and were biased against him throughout, even taking questions from the DNC and allowing Hillary to approve articles written about her etc. They were all in the tank for the Establishment and the elites and Trump beat them all, so he owes them nothing.

'He wants to expand the US nuclear arsenal and has made comments like "why can't we nuke them?" Maybe it was just another joke though. Ha-de-ha-de-ha! '

Trump says one thing one day, and something different the next day. You can't take him literally. He likes to keep opponents and the elites on their toes by being unpredictable. That is part of his negotiating strategy.

''Are you able to answer any of those without mentioning the "establishment" the "elite" "Oxbridge" "Stump for Trump sisters" "spin" or "PPE". : big fat no then.'

Absolutely not, because as I have tried to explain, they are all intrinsically linked to the Trumpocalypse.

'Do you have an approximate date for this overnight event? How will he do it?'

No, I haven't got a date. I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

What lies, specifically, have the Guardian written about Trump?

'What lies, specifically, have the Guardian written about Trump?'

The stuff about him being a racist and a threat to civilization etc. The sort of stuff they used in Brexit too.

That is not very specific. Nor is there anything to suggest that either of those things are not true.

Still, if it bothers you, just think of it as "satirical".

'Still, if it bothers you, just think of it as "satirical".'

I see it as "political", the Establishment's attempt to stop Trump and the people's revolution. But in the biggest media onslaught ever seen in history against a political candidate, all the teams failed and the people saw through them all. Social media defeated mainstream media and the elite are worried as they only have mainstream media to fool the people with. Now Trump is bypassing the mainstream media and using youtue and twitter to communicate with the people and nes hsts and anchrs are desperate. Jon Snow is hopping mad, shouting at guests as if he has ants in his pants, so nothing different there then.

'There's a difference between giving voice to discontent and being an arse.'

Of course there is a difference between Trump and Blair

Tony Blair didn't call his opponents silly names.

I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

Do you really believe that?
See you in 6 months.

It is not "the people's revolution". Quite the reverse.

The same glittering generalities again and again.

'Tony Blair didn't call his opponents silly names.'

Bliar did worse than that. He said that his own party's members needed "a heart transplant" if they were thinking of voting for Corbyn, who is far more popular than Establishment Blair, and Blair also said in one of his speeches from a mountain top, written by a team of teenage whizzkids, addressing the little people down below, that the people couldn't be trusted with making a "sensible choice" over the EU (i.e. presumably a choice that the elite didn't approve of).

And now things have got so desperate for the elites with the people's populist revolution toppling them and their media worldwide that some teenage whizzkids have got together and begged Blair to make a comeback and save them.

'Do you really believe that?
See you in 6 months.'

I believe that Trump will end the Syrian war in way under 6 months. He is not a "career politician", he is not "bought and paid for". That is why the elites are so scared.

It is not "the people's revolution".

As there's a lot of it about lately, this might be a good time to remind ourselves of the seven devices of propaganda. Just in case we should encounter this sort of thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/InstituteforrPropagandaAnalysis

I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? What will they want in return?

'And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? 'And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? '

Have you not witnnessed the panic of the media teams on the news channels over Trump? Have you not heard how world leaders are terrified of Trump? When Trump picks up the phone and says "Jump" to the backers of the Jihadis, they will literally say "how high, Sir?". It s all over, just one phonecall from Trump will end the whole thing.

' What will they want in return?'

They won't dare ask for anything in return or Trump will put the general known as "Mad Dog" Mattis on the line to have a friendly word with them.

All this, assuming that a recount doesn't change the results.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/jill-stein-election-recount-fund-michigan-wisconsin-pennsylvania

Could it have been rigged after all?

Looks a lot like it, and that's without the voter suppression.

When Trump picks up the phone and says "Jump" to the backers of the Jihadis, they will literally say "how high, Sir?".

Wow - will this obedience though terror extend to members of his staff, and his citizens?

' will this obedience though terror extend to members of his staff, and his citizens?'

Absolutely not. Only the baddies and elites will receive Trump's wrath.

what would Trump do to them that would make them fear him so much?

The Strong Man is very much his Shtick.

Historically this sort of thing doesn't end well.

"Only the baddies and elites"

Remembering of course that "elites" has now been redefined as anyone who has ever read a book and isn't keen on dictators.