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Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

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"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

And on it goes. Blair, establishment, elite. No answers though.

Buddies sending shock waves through Number 10: ISABEL OAKESHOTT explains how Trump's 'Farage for ambassador' plot was meticulously planned out
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I'm told that his 'Farage for ambassador' suggestion was meticulously 'war-gamed' by his advisers.
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As a result, Downing St can be in no doubt that when it comes to his dealings with Britain, as with everything else, 'The Donald' will not play by the rules.

In time, he may inevitably be more restrained, but for now, at least, he intends to do things his way.

As someone based in Britain who has been in daily contact with his team since his election told me: 'Fellow world leaders and diplomats had better get used to such behaviour.

'If they want to deal with him, they have to realise that Trump doesn't have any truck with diplomatic niceties.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3962704/Trump-s-Farage-ambassador-plot-meticulously-planned-out.html

It's a revolutionand Trump is the Peoples Ambassador. There has never been anything like this. Jon Snow is desperate. People are laughing.

'And on it goes. Blair, establishment, elite. No answers though.'

That is the answer. That is why they are in panic. That is why it is a revolution. That is why Jon Snow is distraught and the people are laughing.

The Guardian said it and they hated saying it

"Donald Trump's victory is nothing short of a revolution"

" 'The Donald' will not play by the rules."

Trump has torn the rules up, he has torn the Establishment up, he has torn the Republican Party up, he has rewritten the rules and world elites have never been in such panic and the world's population has neever laughed and cheered so much.

I think he has established that he isn't playing by the rules, it's hardly news. It's already depressingly tedious.

So when is all the good stuff going to start happening?

Do you think the Stump for Trump Sisters and the millions of Trump fans would have voted for an Establishment shower?

It's not about what people voted for, but what they are getting.

Like I said, I feel sorry for the voters and fans.

I have always held a lot of respect for America. All the Americans I know are clever, well informed people and I had always thought that there system was designed to stop someone like Trump taking power.
That is one of the reasons I'm scared - if it can happen in America, we're all a lot more vulnerable than I used to think.

Have you some respect for Trump fans and the American people.

Oh, dear.

I think respect went out the window the minute Trump opened his mouth to call his opponents names.

Lweji, I think in Claigese the "establishment" = Neither batshit not a nazi.
"The people" = less than 50% of those who voted.

My kitchen is a bit dated, and some of the cabinets are held together with Gaffa tape.
Should I save up to improve it, or do you think I'd be better off blowing up my house?

'So when is all the good stuff going to start happening?'

After Jan 20, when Trump takes over.

'I had always thought that there system was designed to stop someone like Trump taking power.'

But don't you understand why the revolution happened? Have you not read the threads?

"Lawrence Solomon: Donald Trump was made to destroy the establishment

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Pundits who blame the anger of Republican voters for the creation of the Donald Trump juggernaut aren’t wrong, but they’re looking at second-order effects. The root cause of the anger that has catapulted Trump to the top is the Republican establishment, which time and again betrayed the voters who elected it; the result of the anger is a Republican electorate intent on destroying the establishment

business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-donald-trump-was-made-to-destroy-the-establishment

It is a revolution. People have had enough of the Establishment, the spinners and Bliars, and it is the same across the world.

'That is one of the reasons I'm scared '

There is no need to be scared. The people who voted for Trump aren't scared. We are all free of the liars and scammers, the Wikileaks exposed insiders and corrupt classes who conned the people.

Glass: I am trying to be optimistic. When I found out that Trump was appointing a general with the nickname "mad dog" I thought, maybe it's an ironic nickname and he's renowned for his reason and common sense.
Turned out it wasn't ironic.

'the minute Trump opened his mouth to call his opponents names.'

But he was only giving voice to what the people had been feeling and wanting someone to say.

Trump said

"Hillary Clinton is a vessel for the corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country"

Trump is a vessele of the people, the voice of the people which is why the elite will never be able to pull the plug on Trump's twitter account.

"Let Trump be Trump", let the people laugh and the elites panic.

How embarrassing! I meant to type their not there.

'When I found out that Trump was appointing a general with the nickname "mad dog"'

I think you are referring to the esteemed general known as "Mad Dog" Mattis, an excellent choice, but he has not been confirmed yet as Secretary of Defense.

Trump asked Mad Dog what he thought about waterboarding and Trump was very impressed by what Mad Dog said

"Mattis to Trump: Beer, Cigarettes Work Better Than Waterboarding
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In his meeting last week with the man he calls "Mad Dog Mattis," Trump said he asked, "What do you think of waterboarding? He said I was surprised he said, 'I've never found it to be useful.' "

Trump said Mattis told him, " 'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.' "

Trump said he was not entirely convinced. "I'm not saying it changed my mind. Look, we have people that are chopping off heads and drowning people in steel cages, and we're not allowed to waterboard. But I'll tell you what, I was impressed by that answer" from Mattis.

www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/23/mattis-trump-beer-cigarettes-work-better-waterboarding.html

Trump listens to teh advice of experts like Mad Dog.

But he was only giving voice to what the people had been feeling and wanting someone to say.

There's a difference between giving voice to discontent and being an arse.

After Jan 20, when Trump takes over.

How soon after, any idea?

So Claig, do you think that Trump stirred up shit and fanned the flames of division and anger in order to win votes? Do you think this might have been an irresponsible thing to do? What do you think about the violence he incited at rallies? What are his plans for the huge army he wants to build if he's going to be isolationist and peaceful? Do you believe all of the conspiracy theories pushed by his team? What do you think about his attacks on feminism and human rights? Do you think the media should be allowed to criticise him, or is that "disrespectful"? What do you think of his environmental policies? What do you think of his attitude to nuclear weapons? Do you think it's right for him to interfere with another countries energy policy or ambassadorial appointments? Why did it take him so long to disavow neo-nazis?
Are you able to answer any of those without mentioning the "establishment" the "elite" "Oxbridge" "Stump for Trump sisters" "spin" or "PPE".

'There's a difference between giving voice to discontent and being an arse.'

Of course there is a difference between Trump and Blair

'After Jan 20, when Trump takes over.

How soon after, any idea?'

Within 6 months to a year.

Of course, there are some analysts saying that the globalists are so desperate that they may start a world war before Trump gets in. Hopefully none of that will happen.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/20/profile-general-james-mad-dog-mattis-who-may-be-donald-trumps-ne/

From that well known lefty liberal pinko rag, the Telegraph.
It's actually pretty generous to him, but this quote stands out:
In 2005 he attracted controversy telling the audience of a panel discussion that "it's fun to shoot some people".
Nice guy!

Still no answers to the questions about trumps views. What do the trump supporters think about the views he expressed on assaulting women.

Another new definition: "analyst" = tinfoil hatted conspiracy nut.
Mind you, Chrisnumbers thought that the snoopers charter will bring down mumsnet, so we have some resident "analysts" on here.

'do you think that Trump stirred up shit and fanned the flames of division and anger in order to win votes?'

No. He did say some things as a shock tactic in order to differentiate himself from teh "career politicians" in order to show the people that he was tough and would kick Establishment ass, but the people took him "seriously but not literally" while the media teams took him "literally but not seriously".

'What do you think about the violence he incited at rallies?'

He didn't incite violence. he was joking. He said he would pay the legal expenses of anyone who thumped the protestors. But Trump fans didn't take him literally while the media teams took him literally.

'What are his plans for the huge army he wants to build if he's going to be isolationist and peaceful?'

He won't use it. He said we will be so strong that no one will mess with us, we won't need to use it.

'Do you believe all of the conspiracy theories pushed by his team? '

What conspiracy theories? The Wikileaks leaks were not conspiracy theories, they were leaked emails of insiders.

'What do you think about his attacks on feminism and human rights? '

What attacks on feminism and human rights?

'Do you think the media should be allowed to criticise him, or is that "disrespectful"? '

Of course they should be allowed to. I think it is "disrespectful" of the Oxbridge teams to call him racist etc, but I don't care if they call him that because it just exposes them for the liars they are and more people see through their Establishment spin.

'What do you think of his environmental policies? '

I think they are fantastic. I just hope that the elites don't get to him and force him to back down. I hope he maintains the truth and exposes the lies.

'What do you think of his attitude to nuclear weapons?'

He said that nuclear is the biggest problem, not global warming and I think he is right.

'Do you think it's right for him to interfere with another countries energy policy or ambassadorial appointments?'

I don't care. He is about to be the President of the United States, so he can say what he likes. It is up to the Establishment to decide whether they agree with him or not.

'Why did it take him so long to disavow neo-nazis? '

It didn't, he has disavowed them lots of times. He did it again in the New York Times meeting. the media teams always bring this up to try to knock Trump, but he condemns it everytime they bring it up

"UNKNOWN: Mr. President-elect, I wanted to ask you, there was a conference this past weekend in Washington of people who pledged their allegiance to Nazism.

TRUMP: Boy, you are really into this stuff, huh?

PRIEBUS: I think we answered that one right off the bat.
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UNKNOWN: Are you going to condemn them?

TRUMP: Of course I did, of course I did.

PRIEBUS: He already did.

UNKNOWN: Are you going to do it right now?

TRUMP: Oh, I see, maybe you weren’t here. Sure. Would you like me to do it here? I’ll do it here. Of course I condemn. I disavow and condemn."

www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html

'Are you able to answer any of those without mentioning the "establishment" the "elite" "Oxbridge" "Stump for Trump sisters" "spin" or "PPE".'

No, that would be impossible, because they are interlinked and intrinsic to the Trump Revolution, also known as the People's Revolution over the Elites.

'What do the trump supporters think about the views he expressed on assaulting women.'

Everyone was disgusted by it and so was Trump who apologised about it.

Trump has ended what all the socialists and Blairite phonies could only ever talk hot air about

"Whatever you think of him, Donald Trump is right – if you knew what TPP and TTIP stood for, you'd pull out too

Many people do not understand what these trade agreements mean so let me spell it out. They promote trade liberalisation. This essentially means opening up public services to corporate takeover and limiting our ability to control banks"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-tpp-what-is-ttip-trade-deals-international-stood-for-neoliberal-corporate-takeover-a7433516.html

That is why the elites are in panic. They are not dealing with a Blairite, with a phoney, with an Establishment appointee, they are dealing with Trump and they have no control over him whatsoever.