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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

Glass: Either Trump believes his own rhetoric, in which case he is a fascist.
Or he doesn't, in which case he is a manipulative, cynical liar of the worst kind who is willing to stir up shit and exploit tensions and divisions for power.

'Because when myself and others do try and criticise his actual policies what there is of them you don't engage with us.'

I have engaged with every criticis of Trump and have linked to articles and videos that explain his policies over numerous threads. I have explained that he is not a racist and explained why he won and why he is popular.

And I have also explained why the Establishment and its Oxbridge servants are so anti Trump, and also why they rely on Oxbridge Blair to save themselves from Trump, and have discussed the emails and Wikileaks like many other posters have in order to highlight the level of corruption and insider dealing that the Establishment and their media teams have not investigated in an attempt to support Hillary because she is Establishment.

I have not called anyone a Blairite, apart from Asking Kaija if she iis a Blairite because her accusations that Trump supporters are racist strikes me as classic Oxbridge Blairite Establishment spin tactics to shut down debate. I asked Kaija if she also does the Blairite trained hand gestures, but I have not said that about anyone else.

'Complain that I've called you nasty names'

I haven't accused you of calling me nasty names, I have said that we have had abise on these threads form some posters who do not debate and respect other people's views.

We have posters who mainly insult others instead of debating

"Kaija, there's really no point in expecting any kind of reasoned or logical debate here."

Sorry but the above is true, when people try to discuss what Trump actually stands for we get 'elite , Blair', on and on. Or well he will change his mind he will lie because he's a maverick. I have no idea what most people on this thread feel about some of the things Trump said. What do people feel about the things he said about assaulting women.

Willfully spreading conspiracy theories to discredit opponents.
Threatening to "lock up" political opponents.
Standing in front of fervent rallies inciting criminal acts.
Exploiting security fears to remove civil liberties.
Demonisation of human rights, liberalism and feminism.
Scapegoating unpopular minorities.
Nostalgic nationalism.
Vastly increasing military power.
Furious reaction to media criticism, and attempts to bully the press.

'Challenging your opinions is abuse? '

No, Lweji, challenging is not. I have politely answered all your "challenges" over manyy threads. I am glad you are now posting less after Trump won, so that I don't have to read your posts such as

"if it looks like a duck ..." regarrding fascism.

'I mostly feel sorry for you Trump supporters. For many reasons.'

Thank you for your feelings. We appreciate them.

Sorry posted too soon: The above is a list of things that the Alt-Right and Trump do which are not new ideas.

I would respect Trump supporters more on this thread if they actually did condemn the scary fringe more. When I mentioned an act of far right terrorism, Chrisnumbers jumped straight in with a "what about Isis?" (btw, I do condemn Isis).

^Glass: Either Trump believes his own rhetoric, in which case he is a fascist.
Or he doesn't, in which case he is a manipulative, cynical liar of the worst kind who is willing to stir up shit and exploit tensions and divisions for power.^

Oh, I'd go for option B on that one.

Are you trying to imply that Chris supports that? I assume you condemn Isis, just like everyone else, and I have respect for Chris that Chris condemns far right terrorism.

I don't expect you to post that you "condemn Isis", I take it for granted, it goes without saying, just like everyone condemns any act of terrorism.

The thing is Claig, you are actually one of the moderate pro Trump people on here. You do tend to stay polite, I think the worse thing you accuse us of is being blairites, which we either find odd or insulting, but in the grand scheme of things others say at times not bad on the scale of it all.

Other Trump supporters on here are much more aggressive in their view points.

And far right terrorism has absolutely nothing to do with Trump, the 45th President-elect of the United States. The sooner the media teams and Oxbridge teams stop their hysterical spin against Trump, the sooner that Jon Snow can calm down, the sooner reason and respect for the President of the United States and the American people who voted for him can be restored.

'I think the worse thing you accuse us of is being blairites'

I have never accused you or anyone apart from Kaija of being a Blairite. I asked Kaija if she was because it seemed to me that she was using the tried and tested Oxbridge Blairite spin in order to accuse Trump of being a fascist as well as his supporters.

"if it looks like a duck ..." regarrding fascism.

Yes, my bad.

I should have written:
If it walks like a goose.
Not like a duck.

the sooner reason and respect for the President of the United States and the American people who voted for him can be restored.

It's the demanding of 'respect' that I find odd - respect has to be earned and he's done precious little to reassure on that front. On the contrary he has gone out of his way to inflame the WTF factor with regard to his public image.

"And far right terrorism has absolutely nothing to do with Trump"

...It does when he fans the flames. One of many examples: "You second amendment people, maybe there is something you can do!"

"I take it for granted, it goes without saying, just like everyone condemns any act of terrorism."
Patently untrue or there would be no terrorists.

Yes, people respect the position (which he doesn't have yet, he's just elect, not in office), but respect for the man has to be earned. And the man himself is commanding very little respect. He's still tweeting rants in the early hours.

Banana republic, I tell you.

And Claig, you are being naive. This is the internet. Unless you know a poster in real life, you have no idea who they are, or how extreme their views are. All we can go by is what they post, and make assumptions from that.

'It's the demanding of 'respect' that I find odd '

Respect for democracy, respect for the American people who chose him, respect for ordinary people despite Jon Snow and the hysterical teams of spinners. Respect for America.

'Banana republic, I tell you.'

Respect for America. Trump fans love Trump's tweets where he blasts the spinners and liars. It's a people's revolution.

manipulative, cynical liar of the worst kind who is willing to stir up shit and exploit tensions and divisions for power.

Well I don't think you'd find many people, even his fans, arguing that he isn't manipulative shit-stirrer. And he's keen on power. Hmm.

This is from the Guardian. They are in meltdown over there, there are daily Oxbridge conferences about Trump, there are PPEs in panic about what it will mean for their mates in the elite.

"Donald Trump's victory is nothing short of a revolution"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-victory-us-election-result-revolution

Trump fans were worried that Trump would have to be all "Presidential", that the elites would get to him and control him. But Trump fans breathed a sigh of relief as the Trump twitter rants kept coming. They can't stump the Trump. The people are laughing as the Trump twitter tirades continue. All over Manhattan and Washington, Trump fans cry

"Let Trump be Trump" and let the people be free from the spinners and liars who serve the elites.

Jon Snow is in pieces and te more desperate he gets, the more the viewers laugh.

Respect for America.
There's a difference between respecting that a choice has been made and respecting what the choice was.
Unfortunately, it's Trump who has no respect for America and the one turning into a banana republic.

Erm... claig.

You realise that his team is nothing but Establishment, only Establishment of the worst sort.

'You realise that his team is nothing but Establishment, only Establishment of the worst sort.'

Of course it isn't. Do you think the Stump for Trump Sisters and the millions of Trump fans would have voted for an Establishment shower?

Have you some respect for Trump fans and the American people.