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Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 18:18

If that was trump supporters at Clinton rallies it would be headline news in the us and at the BBC. Proof of media bias.

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 18:19

He finally got fired, the guy that set it up. Bet they paid him a wad not to spill.

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 18:30

Over 90 % media campaign donations go to clinton

Lweji · 18/10/2016 20:31

About that "New video surfaced on YouTube. Search Rigging The Election by project veritas action. Undercover footage about Hillary supporters causing violence at Trump Rallies"

heavy.com/news/2016/10/democrats-incite-start-violence-at-trump-rallies-video-violent-protests-agitator-dnc-democracy-partners-scott-foval-james-okeefe-veritas-hoax-truth/

"In the past, O’Keefe has been accused of selectively editing videos and distorting chronologies of ACORN employees."

"In 2011, he staged encounters with workers that he claimed showed Medicaid fraud, but later examination showed there was no fraud."

"In 2013, O’Keefe paid $100,000 to a former ACORN employee, Juan Carlos Vera, for misrepresenting Vera baed on selectively editing videotapes."

You conclude what you want...

Kaija · 18/10/2016 20:36

Shit. This changes everything.

I haven't seen dirty tricks like that since they faked the moon landings.

Lweji · 18/10/2016 21:04

Yeah, about those landings:

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.
Lweji · 18/10/2016 21:13

The truth is out there:

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.
BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2016 21:15

You've found them out, lweji ! Shock

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2016 21:18

Conservatives, like Colin Powell, who oppose Trump do so because he has crossed the boundaries of civilised politics:

Trump, from the start, has deliberately inflamed race hatred, appealing to the worst prejudices about Mexicans, African Americans, Jews, women

He has brought racism out of the closet.

I've never before called an American or British conservative a fascist, but that's what he really is.
His nearest equivalents are the far right politicians in Europe, like Le Pen or the Golden Dawn leaders.

www.nationalreview.com/article/435527/anti-semitism-donald-trump-right-nationalism-white-supremacism

His opening sentence:
"I’ve spent most of my career arguing that anti-Semitism in the United States is almost entirely a product of the political Left"

and then gives a damning indictment of why Trump has totally changed this.

Some Jewish people think the hidden message of a sinister world elite is like the 1930s allegations that rich Jews secretly rule the world.
The Jewish GOP donors have reacted too:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-jewish-donors-are-abandoning-trump/

fourmummy · 18/10/2016 21:27

Well, I've got my crisps and pop all lined up. I've put more money on Trump. Determined to stay up tonight for the debate. Is anyone else watching it?

claig · 18/10/2016 21:30

'His opening sentence:
"I’ve spent most of my career arguing that anti-Semitism in the United States is almost entirely a product of the political Left"

and then gives a damning indictment of why Trump has totally changed this.'

Are you aware that Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka, converted to Judaism and is married to a Jewish man?

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RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 18/10/2016 21:30

I will record it

Try and avoid this thread til ive watched it

And then get myself all confused and lost with everyone elses posts

It worked well last time....

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2016 21:33

I'm recording it and will watch tomorrow lunch time.

fourmummy · 18/10/2016 21:37

It's not tonight, is it....

claig · 18/10/2016 21:37

' Determined to stay up tonight for the debate. Is anyone else watching it?'

It is on Thursday morning here, Wednesday night in the US.

'I've put more money on Trump.'

I think he will make it, but there are rumours that more Trump tapes may be on the way and Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine has put a $1 million dollar reward for anything that they may want to publish.

I think Trump will have to really go all out in the third debate to negate anything else that the Clinton team may have lined up for him.

The second tape of the Project Veritas voter fraud stuff is out on youtube

No wonder some of the political class are against voter ID.

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2016 21:38

claig I'm quite aware of Trump's son-in-law, like Farage's German wife.
So what ? Many politicians compartmentalise private lives and politics
He has a genuine prejudice against black people & Latinos, but is quite willing to play with fire wrt anti-semitism.

Lweji · 18/10/2016 21:39

I'm also thinking that the US should set up a Presidential Apprentice challenge at each election. (it might happen if Trump becomes President)

Week 1: One candidate is sent to Iraq and the other to Syria and each has to sort out ISIS in less than a week. Double points for not being blown away by terrorists or bombed by the Russians.

Week 2: Each candidate is given a house and has to build a garden wall and get the neighbour to pay for it.

Week 3: Each candidate must get the most donations for their favourite Foundation in two days. At the end each must sell a speech at a charity dinner for the highest amount.

Week 4: Each candidate must run a casino and manage not to get bankrupt by the end of one week. If they do get bankrupt, they may be recalled at the end if they manage to offset their losses not to pay taxes until week 9.

Week 5: The candidate with the largest number of emails published in the press wins. Double points if they get the Russians to hack their email account.

Week 6: The candidate with the largest number and the most likes on 2-6 am tweets wins.

Week 7: The candidate that manages to stay the longest behind the other on camera during a debate wins.

Week 8: The candidates organise and host a beauty pageant. The one that manages not to upset the contestants wins.

Week 9: Each candidate presents a CV, a policy plan and is interviewed by Michelle Obama. I pity them.

Week 10 and final: Each candidate organises a rally. They will be scored on organization, soundbites, number of groups they manage to insult and how many hats they sell.

In the end, a small group of invisible people, who've been running the whole show but that nobody knows who they are but that everybody knows they exist, will decide who wins.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2016 21:40

oh good. Thought i'd got the day wrong. I'll watch it when it appears on my recorded program lists.

claig · 18/10/2016 21:41

'So what ? Many politicians compartmentalise private lives and politics
He has a genuine prejudice against black people & Latinos, but is quite willing to play with fire wrt anti-semitism.'

He hasn't got a prejudice against black people and Hispanics and i think you will find that he will be very supportive of Israel when he gets in.

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Lweji · 18/10/2016 21:42

Ivanka married a jewish man, not Trump.

I'm sure she has her own mind. How many people marry against their parents' prejudices?

claig · 18/10/2016 21:45

'In the end, a small group of invisible people, who've been running the whole show but that nobody knows who they are but that everybody knows they exist, will decide who wins.'

Are you referring to the 7th Floor Group? They met on Wednesdays, God knows what they did the rest of the week Shock

"New FBI release on Clinton email probe refers to 'Shadow Government'
...
One revelation in the documents came from an interview with an unidentified person who suggested that Freedom of Information Act requests related to Clinton went through a group sometimes called "the Shadow Government."

"There was a powerful group of very high-ranking STATE officials that some referred to as 'The 7th Floor Group' or 'The Shadow Government.' This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records, and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries," the FBI's interview summary said.

www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html

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Lweji · 18/10/2016 21:46

Are you referring to the 7th Floor Group?

Is that on the Trump tower?

claig · 18/10/2016 21:51

'Is that on the Trump tower?'

As far as I am aware, Trump Tower is 6 floors.

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fourmummy · 18/10/2016 21:52

I also think he'll do it. Lots of under the radar non-obvious support going on such as comments at the end of articles. This is interesting:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/18/trump-chatter-breaking-all-records-facebook/92363936/

They don't know if the chatter is positive or negative. He's generated millions of likes. He's certainly an unusual candidate (hence the interest), which alone may carry him over the finish line.

claig · 18/10/2016 21:56

'He's generated millions of likes.'

Absolutely, he is far more popular than Hillary. His base is enthused and will turn out. Hillary may not get the same level of turnout from millenials and minorities. The media is all in with Hillary and they are spinning like crazy, but we might find that it is exactly like Brexit where the Estabishment were shocked and were in tears. There were reports that the sobbing of the elites was heard from Land's End to John O'Groats.

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