Trump vs Clinton Round 2. Bigger debate than the last one.

[claig]

Round 2, Monday morning 2 am UK time.

Will "the real Trump" show up?

The lie, for example, that it was a spontaneous overrun of the embassy as a result of a video critical of extremist Muslims. She repeated it to the families. It was an organised assault.

No I'm not voting either. And I still dislike Donald Trump intensely. But I don't think he's as dangerous as Clinton.

I forgot my

It's sad because I know my posts these last few days will lose me any chance of making friends on the feminist board. But I'll still lurk and learn, and sign stuff!

It wont winchester

I like your posts on the feminist threads

I really hope not, the women there have changed my attitude to so much in the last 8 months. Actually more than that, a year really. Just kept reading and reading.

Wichester - I'm a feminist

Hurrah for us and thanks again Rufus for the kind reassurance

Cards on the table - I think both candidates are bad for women. Trump, specifically because he has Pence for a running mate as well as anything else. Clinton would be bad for women because she will advance the agendas of every minority that has intersectional rights that she will post ahead of women's rights. I think that will affect every day life for millions of women and girls for decades to come.

This is an election where we are being forced to choose between two turds. Quite frankly I am trying to pick the better turd but they both stink and are shit.

I just don't see HC as this golden unicorn that you guys make her out to be. She is as sleezy and corrupt as they come. From standing by her husband, who has used his position to sexually assault woman/ take advantage of them, accept funds from undesirables through the Clinton foundation, harming Haiti in the process, the dodgy land deals in Arkansas and the fact that she has been very evasive over the questions concerning her email server.

I would love to vote for her but honestly I really struggle to support a woman who has been behind belittling women who were used by her DH. What really upsets me is that Trump is being investigated by one incident where he was on a plane with Epstein and a 13 year old. No one mentions the numerous flights BC took with Epstein and young underage girls where his security team were left behind. Lets call it like it is and address the fact that so far they have Trump saying something that isn't nice on tape. We have evidence of the Clintons performing nasty, highly illegal, acts to women over the past 30 years.

Also, there was a news clip on the bottom of the television (News 12 which isn't fox) about Clinton being found to have sold weapons to ISIS. They briefly discussed this news item and then the breaking news was Trumps recording. Funny how the clip of Trump came out about 5mins after that little gem of information came to light.

Again, both are turds.... we just have to pick the 'best' turd.

In my reading over the last three months I found a State department memo that talks of the Pentagon sending chemical weapons to Syrian rebels. Excuse me though : it's a bit unfair to throw it into the thread when I can't link to it. I'll try to find it later.

Not a great excuse for the media's failure to cover Hillary's issues.

I really don't think there are those many issues.

Some of them had previously been covered extensively, with Congress or Senate hearings. They were on it for months.
Every time there's something new, it's covered.

Please do read the links I posted with the fact checks (if you're bothered) about Benghazi.

When Hillary comes up with the same nastiness and with the same frequency as Trump, then you will have a point about coverage.

I just don't see HC as this golden unicorn that you guys make her out to be.

Nobody here is making HC a golden unicorn.

There's only one person making a candidate a golden unicorn and it's not those who prefer Hillary.

About Hillary and weapons to ISIS:
www.truthorfiction.com/hillary-clinton-sold-weapons-isis/
"We sifted through the database of Clinton emails and couldn’t find any that indicated Clinton had pushed weapons to Syrian rebels. News reports indicate that the U.S. did begin providing arms to Syrian rebels in September 2013 — nearly a full year after Clinton had resigned from her post as secretary of state."

It all started with a claim by Assange that has not been verified with actual emails.

They are running out of tricks

Please don't try to make out that the tape about assaulting women was a "trick", claig, and stop trying to minimise and avoid it.

'They are running out of tricks'

I am talking about Blair and the metropolitan elite, not that video, and that people no longer believe them which is the whole reason that we have had Brexit, populist insurgencies and Trump.

'"Tony Blair: I Don't Think There Is A Way Politically To Beat "Insurgent Movement Of Populism"'

That is the great man himself. They have run out of tricks. No amount of hired spinners can help them beat the people's insurgencies.

Trump steps up his attacks on what he calls "the hypocrisy of the Clintons, the media and our politicians". They have never had an opponent like Trump and no amount of spinners will save them.

"Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago

It is so nice that the shackles have been taken off me and I can now fight for America the way I want to."

People aren't scared of Trump. They don't like him but he's predictable. Men like Trump are everywhere. They teach our students, they are in every nightclub and every workplace. They're nothing that a brisk rebuke, a swift knee to the nuts or appeal to legal recourse won't solve. What's he going to do? Pass a law declaring women second class citizens? People are scared of the weirdness of open borders, uncontrolled immigration, the personal enrichment of public servants and politicians, war used for profiteering, global trade agreements (No, Monsanto, I don't want to be force fed your crap when I've explicitly rejected it), not having a job, underhand deals with people who want to kill us. The list just goes and on.

Ironically, the bathroom laws passed by the Obama administration do make women second class citizens.

Oh I see Trump is back at the top of the news as 'the embattled candidate' with the BBC claiming he's now running as an independent.

I think that BBC article is based on what the Wall Street Journal wrote today

"Donald Trump Is Starting to Look Like an Independent Candidate

Travel around the country speaking about the election and you’ll frequently get this question: Can an independent candidate make a serious run for president?

We now essentially have such an independent candidate. His name is Donald Trump.

So the new questions are: Is it possible to win an election that way? Perhaps as important, if a candidate prevails in such a campaign, could he govern effectively afterward?

Increasingly, Mr. Trump and his unshakable core of supporters are breaking away from the party hierarchy."

www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-is-starting-to-look-like-an-independent-candidate-1476115731

It is essentially correct. Trump never was a Republican in the sense that the rest of them are and he has overturned their sacred cows and the Republican voters are with Trump and not with them. Trump hijacked the Repubican Party, challenged, defeated and mocked their icons and is drawing support from ordinary Republicans, independents and even some Bernie supporters. Trump is the wrecking ball independent who will clean the system up.

"Donald Trump boasts of war with Republican leaders: 'The shackles have been taken off me'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-shackles-republicans-paul-ryan-twitter-us-election-2016-a7355996.html

The more Trump challenges the Republican Establishment, the more popular he will become because most people have no love for the political class.

The Republican Party hasn't renounced him I believe.

'The Republican Party hasn't renounced him I believe.'

They can't or they will definitely lose the election.

It's another smear, basically

Yes, good point, that may be why they ran the story. He is clearly not a standard Republican, but he is head of the Republican ticket and saying he is independent is probably intended to turn traditional Republicans off him.

It is absolutely why they are running the story. It is the new line. There is no question the BBC wants to big up the idea that Donald Trump is an independent candidate.

Claig that rape allegation against Trump. It's appalling. What do you know about it? I automatically believe the victim. Is the case getting no publicity only because she is a minor and it's an active case?